Hey folks,

There has been a lot of excellent discussion of our pre-print:

biorxiv.org/content/10.110…

We tackle the main critiques & we believe our findings still stand:

alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-syntheti…

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Recall:

We found that the BsaI/BsmBI restriction map of SARS-CoV-2 was an anomaly in nature yet exactly what you would expect from a synthetic virus.

It checked all the boxes: max fragment length, fragment no, sticky ends, silent mutations, etc.

This is still 100% true.

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There are two main critiques that seem to stick:

1) Other methods of assembly exist

2) Recombination could explain this.

In the Substack article, I explain why these critiques fall short of disproving our work.

alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-syntheti…

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Big picture:

Other methods exist, but we ran a meta-analysis that would've picked up these other methods, and those other methods were not commonly used in this field.

8/10 of the infectious clones we found retained these modified type II sites.

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Recombination is common in CoVs, but recombination can explain anything.

I could find green fluorescent mice in Bergen, Norway, and say it must be from recombination with a jellyfish.

That doesn't mean recombination is the most likely scenario. Further research is needed.

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The existence of these type II sites in other CoVs is proposed as evidence of recombination...

But that's also consistent with reverse genetic systems used to make chimeric viruses in the lab:

they require the same type II sites in the same place in order to swap parts.

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The recombination hypothesis is just that: a hypothesis

The researchers proposing recombination need to quantify odds & uncertainty of their hypothesis as we've done with our theory.

All other CoVs were subject to recombination, yet SARS-CoV-2 is an anomaly among CoVs.

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That's worth repeating:

Recombination happened in all other CoVs, and it never once in the CoVs we examined produced such an idealized reverse genetic system

We estimate under 0.07% chance of finding this in pattern nature

What are the odds, P-values etc. of recombination?

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Crucially, the sequences proposed as being behind the recombination events all appear to have issues being debated in the peer-reviewed literature.

We're uncertain these sequences are correct, so we're uncertain about recombination.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bi…

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Our theory stands.

The endonuclease fingerprint of SARS-CoV-2 indicates a synthetic origin

Our theory has not been rejected by hand-waving of other methods or recombination.

It can be further researched with new data and rigorous probabilistic analyses

Science goes on!

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Oct 25
Under the natural origin hypothesis,

In 20 years, SARS-CoV-2's lineage saw a very high rate of recombinations from many different CoVs...

And these recombinations + silent mutations yield the most idealized reverse-genetic system we could find in Nature...

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In addition

SARS-CoV-2 acquired the first-ever Furin cleavage site in a sarbecorivurs through *another* recombination event, acquiring two CGG codons uncommon in CoVs

This virus then caused an outbreak in Wuhan, incidentally a global hotspot of CoV research...

2/
Coincidentally,

The CoV research in Wuhan also included a grant proposal to create chimeric CoVs using the reverse genetic system that is makes SARS2 so anomalous

They also proposed to insert a Furin cleavage site into a sarbvecovirus.

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Oct 25
This is an important assessment and follow-up discussion on our pre-print worth noting

At issue are the 'missing' BsaI sites (red dots in the rectangle below).

This is a fair point of ongoing discussion of our work. Some thoughts

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First, the question is absolutely fair

"Mutations" of a genome take many form. They can be single nucleotide mutations like A-->G, or they can be large swaps called "recombinations"

There are high rates of recombination in CoVs and other RNA viruses

nature.com/articles/s4158…
2/
In our paper, one of the most significant results was the unusually high concentration of silent mutations within BsaI + BsmBI restriction sites.

That analysis assumed every silent mutation is independent, and only examined A-->T, G-->C sorts of mutations...

3/
Read 12 tweets
Oct 22
An article at @TheEconomist covering our recent pre-print.

This article shares diverse perspectives, correctly notes that more data is needed, and reminds readers that future tests may disprove our results.

biorxiv.org/content/10.110…
A study of contrasts:

Here's @Telegraph quoting Stuart Neil falsely accusing us of cherry-picking, Kristian Andersen tactfully calling it "b*******", and someone going after credentials by saying I'm a "business management efficiency analyst"?

telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/2…
For those just meeting me, I graduated summa cum laude with degrees in Mathematics and Biology during wet lab work & modelling.

NSF-GRFP --> Princeton Quant & Comp Bio PhD in 4.5 years

Microbiome postdoc at Duke

I studied pathogen spillover for years prior to COVID...
Read 6 tweets
Oct 21
Update from day 2:

There were some more great discussions!

We still believe our paper holds up.

The most important tweak is that the exact method used to assemble CoVs isn't best termed "Golden Gate Assembly" but "Type IIS directional assembly"

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My terminology caused confusion, and I take responsibility for that - I'm sorry.

Golden Gate Assembly often utilizes type IIS enzymes on both sides of an insert + in opposite orientation.

This helps people assemble DNA & removes the "cutting sites"



2/
That same idea - the very strictly correct idea for the term "golden gate assembly" - led another smart scientist to think that, for our theory to be true, the BsaI/BsmBI recognition sequences must be in opposite orientation.



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Oct 21
This is interesting

I'm unable to comment on this thread (having been blocked by Rasmussen) but it does seem like folk may be claiming to @KelseyTuoc that our work is fraud/deception/misconduct.

huh...

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First, on whether or not the authors know "golden gate assembly" - @tony_vandongen and @VBruttel sure do!

I'm learning, and that's part of the process ❤️

Type IIS directional assembly is a better term for this procedure, and these restriction sites were retained in rCoVs.

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Here's one of the seminal papers in the field pre-COVID on "efficient reverse genetic systems" for coronaviruses.

They don't remove the type IIS sites after directional assembly.

link.springer.com/protocol/10.10…

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Oct 21
Hey folks,

We're grateful for many thoughtful comments and smart discussions on this topic.

There's one point of discussion I'd like to weigh in on, after which I'll be back at my day-job before drinking from the firehose again this evening.

Multiple comparisons:

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The multiple comparisons problem arises when you run many tests, describe the P-values or odds of seeing as-big-or-bigger a discrepancy under the null model, and fail to account for the fact that you ran many tests.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_…

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In our paper, we do evaluate the likelihood of many events under a null model - maximum fragment lengths, ideal no fragments, silent mutations, etc. - so it's fair to discuss multiple comparisons, what corrections we may want to make, and how we justify them.

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