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8th Cir.: It's not inherently a violation of the 4th Am to have the St. Louis system of "wanted" notices, in which one officer flags suspects for arrest by others. But watch out, reliance on "wanted" doesn't insulate you from personal liability.
ecf.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/22/11/2… #N Image
If this topic rings a bell for regular readers, I had a long thread about the briefs and arguments back in April.
As I understand the opinion, the court is saying that you always judge arrests by probable cause, so having one officer say he has PC (by issuing a "wanted") doesn't fundamentally change that: It's neither always PC, nor never PC. Image
Anf if I'm reading that correctly, that seems correct.

By my eye, the court is taking a fairly narrow view of the arrest authority generally, though: Suggesting, for ex, that the common law misd presence requirement still exists (courts have mostly said it doesn't, I believe).
The court does find there is no QI against one officer for failure to investigate if there was still PC in light of the old "wanted." You can't rely on an old claim even under collective knowledge doctrine; you have to look into. Image
Judge Stras files an originalist concurrence, deciding the case on the common law instead of modern Supreme Court precedent (although the two are identical; the modern SCT has adopted the common law rule).

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Oct 27
This is going to be reversed by the CA2, as the law all goes the other way, but Judge Korman holds that executing a warrant at 6am, with guns drawn, after waiting 30 seconds after announcing, is "revolting," violates the 4A, and requires suppression. drive.google.com/file/d/1xLFoy4… #N
Korman ends up coming up with a way that only part of the evidence is suppressed. (Is that to complicate certification under 18 USC 3731? So that there's a plea? Not sure. Maybe I am being too cynical, but this opinion is really something.)
But hey, Roger Stone was sixty-six.
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Oct 26
I've said it before, but I will say it again: I am not voting for Hunter Biden for President. He is not qualified, either professionally or personally. #neverhunterbiden
I know a lot of readers don't care about Hunter's problems, and say, hey, Hunter drives the GOP insane, which makes him awesome. But I disagree. The GOP is right to say Hunter is not qualified to be President. The country must come first.
I see I'm being ratioed for this, but let me dig in. Yes, I am not only saying you shouldn't vote for Hunter in the primary. You should not for him *even if he's your party's nominee.*
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Oct 26
TIRE-CHALKING JURISPRUDENCE UPDATE: CA9 rules 2-1 that tire chalking does not violate the 4A. Assuming it's a search, it falls within the special needs/administrative search exception. (Per Bress, w/ Bumatay dissenting). #N

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cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opin… #N
First, a reminder: This twitter feed is dedicated to satisfying all of your tire-chalking jurisprudence needs. For prior tweets on the latest in tire-chalking and the 4th Amendment, see here: twitter.com/search?q=tire-…
Ok, on to the opinion. The CA9 argues that, even if tire-chalking is a search, it's okay under the special needs/admin search doctrine. A few key sections:
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Oct 25
The odds that any culture wars dispute will evolve into claims about different understandings of the facts, with at least one side claiming complete outrage that the other side holds its view even though they obviously know their claims of the facts are false, are quite high.
There are so many examples that it’s hard to choose, but earlier today I was reading Judge Ho’s essay on the Yale ban, and it has this passage about @ishapiro that seems as good an example as any.
Ilya’s tweets were read dramatically differently on the two sides. As interpreted by one side, he was saying race is irrelevant; as interpreted by the other, he was saying race is everything. Neither side thought the other side genuinely believed its interpretation.
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Oct 22
For the law nerds only—or at least @WilliamBaude and @mollyxbrady, who may be the only ones to find this interesting—I'm charmed by this decision, US v. Gilliam, 1 Hay. & Haz. 109 (DC 1882). Spring guns, and curtilage, together!
drive.google.com/file/d/1ZlaZOE…
Gilliam set a spring gun in his goose house. (A goose house in DC? Well it was the 1880s.) Payne came along one night and entered into the goose house, presumably to take some of Gilliam's geese. And he is shot by the spring gun, & dies. Gilliam is charged with Payne's murder.
Gilliam wants to claim self-defense. But he can only claim self-defense if Payne had entered his house. He can say he was trying to protect his house, but he can't say he was trying to protect his geese, or his farm. The question is, what's the house?
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Oct 22
I don't bet on sports. But if I did, I would strive to place bets with a strong Fourth Amendment history, like "I have Northwestern minus 7" and "Oregon plus 3."
For those wondering, these were the examples in the record of the bets placed by Katz, of Katz v United States, inside the phone booth, that were picked up by the government’s microphone, leading to his conviction for illegal interstate betting.
Also, for those thinking these were bad bets, they weren’t his bets. Katz took bets from others and called them in, in exchange for a fee, apparently 10%. He had to place his bets interstate, he claimed, because local bookies wouldn’t pay our winnings.
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