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Nov 1, 2022 15 tweets 6 min read Read on X
Here’s another pulmonary physiology question that *everyone* who gives O2 to patients ought to know:

What is the primary mechanism by which supplemental oxygen can increase PaCO2 in someone with severe COPD?

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This is a hard question! You probably learned that "its bad to give someone with COPD ‘too much’ O2 because they might stop breathing”

Turns out hypoxic respiratory drive causing apnea is a MYTH..but there is an important truth here:

A🧵on Oxygen induced hypercapnia!
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Every myth has a little kernel of truth:

In the 80s it was shown that giving people with severe COPD (GOLD stage IV) high flow oxygen (15 lpm) made their minute ventilation (VE) drop then return (almost) to normal, but PaCO2 rose significantly.

Why?

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
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Initially it was theorized that this increase in PaCO2 was due to loss of hypoxic respiratory drive. This is probably the story you were told in medical or nursing school.

The only problem is this isn't true!

👀 If we look close there are a few problems with this theory...
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PaCO2 should be inversely proportional to minute ventilation. If you double you VE you should (roughly) half your PaCO2.

But that's NOT what happened!

Ultimately VE fell by only ~5% (from 10 to 9.5 l/min) but PaCO2 increased by 35% (from 63 to 85 mmHg)!

What did we miss?
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Clearly the 5% decrease in minute ventilation (VE) can't possibly explain a 35% rise in PaCO2!

If we do the math, the change in minute ventilation can explain at most 4.8 mmHg of the ~22 mmHg rise in PaCO2.

MYTH busted! This must be more than just a change in ventilation!
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It turns out that in addition to carrying oxygen, Hemoglobin also carries carbon dioxide.

It does this 3 ways:
1. Dissolved as CO2 (10%)
2. Bound to hemoglobin as HbCO2 (30%)
3. Buffered as bicarbonate (60% of CO2)
CO2 + H2O --> H2CO3 --> H+ + HCO3-

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Hemoglobin picks up CO2 in the tissues (where it is unloading O2), and unloads CO2 in the lungs (where it is picking up O2).

For this reason, dexoygenated Hb is better at carrying CO2 & oxygenated Hb is not good at carrying CO2.
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For this reason, administration of high concentrations of Oxygen can "push" CO2 off of hemoglobin and into solution, increased PaCO2.

That's he Haldane Effect - the phenomenon where binding of oxygen to hemoglobin promotes the release of carbon dioxide (raising PaCO2).

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Although the Haldane effect is very real it's effect isn't huge; it increases the PaCO2 by about 10%.

This means Haldane can only explain about 6 mmHg of the 22 mmHg increase in PaCO2! This is an important contributor but it isn't explaining most of the rise in CO2.

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Sidebar: this doesn't mean the Haldane effect is inconsequential.
If my PaCO2 rose from 40 to 44 mmhg I probably wouldn't notice.
But in someone who chronically retains CO2 this could be a big issue. Going from a PaCO2 of 80 to 88 mmHg could be enough to cause CO2 narcosis...
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So what causes O2 induced hypercapnea then?

Recall that different lung areas get differential ventilation. (This is especially true in people with parenchymal disease like COPD)

Fortunately the lung regulates blood flow, decreasing perfusion (Q) to poorly ventilated areas.
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But what if we provide 'too much' supplemental oxygen?

This can cause the loss of hypoxic vasoconstriction increasing perfusion to the poorly ventilated alveoli.

(Maybe a better term would be HYPERoxic vasodilation! h/t @sargsyanz for suggesting this perfect term!)

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This - the loss of hypoxic vasoconstriction to poorly ventilated lung areas - turns out to be the primary reason for oxygen induced hypercapnea.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…

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Bottom line:
Giving supplemental O2 to someone w/ severe COPD really *can* cause oxygen induced hypercapnea.

It occurs for three reasons:
1. Loss of hypoxic vasoconstriction --> worse V/Q matching (major reason)
2. Haldane effect
3. Decreased respiratory drive

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As clinicians what can we do to about the #IVFluidShortage and how can we prevent this crisis from happening again?

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There are many things we can do as clinicians to improve ICU care & reduce IVF use.

1️⃣Don't order Maintenance IV Fluid!
Almost no patient actually needs continuous IV fluids.
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Frequently if someone is NPO overnight for a procedure, MIVF are ordered.
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We are all NPO while asleep & don't need salt water infusions!
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To measure CVP in space they needed two things:
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The media silence on this is deafening.

Did he have a head CT? What did it show?
Did he have stitches? Tetanus shot?

The NYT ran nonstop stories about Biden’s health after the debate but can’t be bothered to report on the health of someone who was literally shot in the head?
To the people in the replies who say it’s impossible because of “HIPPA”
1. I assume you mean HIPAA
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washingtonpost.com/obituaries/202…
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Ask questions like:
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- he’s previously had symptoms like slurred speech, abnormal gait - are these worse?
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You've probably heard "don't give lactated ringers because it raises lactate"

This statement is ~98% false, but there's one crucial practice-changing fact that you need to know.

A 🧵 all about lactic acid and lactated ringers!
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First off, we should ackowledge the obvious: Lactated ringers does in fact contain lactate... 28 mEq/L in fact

BUT there's one little detail to remember:
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When we measure "lactate" we care about the ACID (H+) which lowers pH & causes organ dysfunction
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There is a *weak* correlation in people with arterial lactate > 5, but even w/ lactate =10, pH ranged from 7.5 to 7.05. Quite a spread!

3/ ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
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If you intubate you need to read the #PREOXI trial!
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-NIV HALVED the risk of hypoxemia: 9 vs 18%
-NIV reduced mortality: 0.2% vs 1.1%

#CCR24
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Hypoxemia (SpO2 <85%) occurs in 10-20% of ED & ICU intubations.

1-2% of intubations performed in ED/ICU result in cardiac arrest!

This is an exceptionally dangerous procedure and preoxygenation is essential to keep patients safe.

But what’s the *BEST* way to preoxygenate?
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NIV (“BiPAP”) delivers a higher FiO2 because of its tight fit. It also delivers PEEP & achieves a higher mean airway pressure which is theoretically helpful!
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