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1/ In Kernberg's object relations model

1️⃣pathological narcissism,
2️⃣malignant narcissism, &
3️⃣psychopathy

form a continuum. Here's my "Cliff Notes"

Pathological narcissism rests on the defense of splitting. The person identifies with the good parts of self & projects the bad
2/ parts onto others. In this way, they maintain a perception of self as good and righteous, while seeing others as bad and inferior

In malignant narcissism, the projected badness is filled with hate & aggression. Others are not just seen as lesser, but will be treated in cruel,
3/ exploitive, and hateful ways, even as the person continues to see themself as good and righteous

In psychopathy, the projected badness is completely dominated by hate and aggression. Others are seen solely as objects to be exploited, or toyed with sadistically
4/ The level of aggression & hate determines the location on the continuum from narcissism through malignant narcissism thorough psychopathy

Where there are still positive feelings in the mix of projected badness (desire for attachment, connection, care), the person is primarily
5/ on the narcissistic end of the continuum & treatment is possible. Where aggression & hate are prominent, it's malignant narcissism. This may or may not be treatable, depending on the level of hate & aggression is in the mix

Where aggression & hate dominate, it's psychopathy
6/ and it is untreatable.

Disclaimer: These brief "Cliff Notes" are woefully oversimplified. They're meant to offer just a starting point of entry to some ideas that are often inaccessible to m.h. clinicians. If they've provided even a morsel of food for thought, that's enough.
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1/ Highlights from this crucially important paper:

About 7 out of 10 patients who get “evidence-based therapy” for depression are still depressed after treatment

Of the 3 that get well, about half would have gotten well without treatment

No significant differences between types of therapy (the “dodo bird verdict”)

“Third wave” therapies (eg, ACT) no better than plain old CBT, or any other form of treatment

From the paper: “Most patients do not respond or remit after therapy, and more effective treatments are clearly needed”

So… can someone please explain to me again why these treatments are routinely called “evidence-based therapy?”Image
2/ When the benchmark is “getting better”—not just doing better than a control group—this is what research shows

Most patients get little or no benefit from brief therapy. This is what research has has shown for 40-50 years. The findings have been consistent for half a century
3/ Someone here offered and analogy:🙏
Imagine if the benchmark for evaluating a plumber was not doing the job right, but how they compared to not trying to do the job at all? Pipes could be leaking everywhere, the pluming fixtures could be falling off—and researchers would be
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1/ This quotation needs more psychological nuance. In fact, it’s in our human nature to take pleasure in others’ downfall, for many reasons—often unconscious

It’s not so much that we “make monsters of ourselves,” because the monster is already within. In the words of Aleksandr
2/ Solzhenitsyn, “The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being”

It is that *acting* on these impulses—publicly reveling in sadistic glee, joining in the pile-on, inciting others to pile on—feeds that inner monster. It grows larger and uglier, and
3/ the rest of us is diminished. In time, we become an empty husk of the person we could have become

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Your grad school professors likely had no idea what “neutrality” means. Most never learned and just parrot the misinformation they were taught

It means *ultimate respect for client’s autonomy and self-determination*

You are in favor of that, aren’t you? In Freud’s own words👇
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So here’s an update:
3/ The term is a recognition that we humans are of many minds about many things, there is inner contradiction, and the contradictions can be at any level of conscious awareness

“Neutrality” means helping the person become aware of all of the inner facets and contraductions,
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My first major research article showed it’s impossible to measure mental health by self-report data (eg, a survey). Data are uninterpretable

If people *report* good mental health, it MAY mean good MH. But it’s at least as likely to mean defensiveness and self-deception

source👇
2/ This is called “Illusory Mental Health”

Published in American Psychologist (premier/flagship journal of the American Psychological Association) jonathanshedler.com/PDFs/Shedler%2…Image
/3 Did I mention that illusory mental health is linked to objective physiological measures of stress and increased risk of medical illness and death?
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1/6 The goal of psychotherapy is to insert spaces for noticing and reflecting where space has not previously existed—and thereby create opportunities to know ourselves more fully, connect with others more deeply, and live our lives more congruentlyImage
2/6 Psychotherapy is about slowing things down—so we can begin to see and understand patterns and responses that otherwise happen quickly, automatically, without awareness or understanding
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We find ourselves in difficulties specifically because we *cannot* slow down to notice and reflect. The rush to optimize every facet of life is the disease—not the cure
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