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This is a really brilliant representation of Denmark’s RSV admissions data. It shows what I’ve been trying to explain for a while now. Delaying RSV exposure is *good*. The babies born in the 20/21 “gap year” experienced a net *benefit* by dodging RSV en masse as infants. 1/ Bar graph from the QT with an arrow showing the difference i
Not exposing infants that season resulted in a net decrease of total RSV hospitalizations for that cohort over time. This is consistent with what we’ve known for decades which is that RSV is most dangerous for 0-12 month olds and there’s a net benefit to delaying exposure. 2/ Bar graph from the QT with an arrow showing the difference i
In other words:
- no immunity debt — no increased risk of hosp from delayed exposure

- some immunity gap — many went on to be hospitalized in 21/22 at 12-24 months and 22/23 at 24-36 months, but not all

- we see evidence of some immunity *CREDIT* — averted hospitalizations
3/ Bar graph from the QT with an arrow showing the difference i
So there you have it. There’s no benefit to exposing infants to RSV. The cohort of kids that were infants the year that RSV stopped circulating went on to have a lower total number RSV hospitalizations. We didn’t just delay the inevitable. We *prevented* hospitalizations. 4/ Bar graph from the QT with an arrow showing the difference i
And now with that in mind, how do we explain why the 21/22 and 22/23 babies have been hospitalized for RSV in their first RSV season as infants (0-12 months) at much higher rates than the cohorts that came before them? Neither immunity debt nor immunity gap can explain this. 5/ Graph from the QT with lines showing that the 21/22 and 22/2
Any MD w an ounce of integrity would say the #1 suspect for increased susceptibility of infants to severe RSV in the pandemic era is covid. Whether it’s immune dysfunction or lung dysfunction or something else, SARS2 is the most likely reason that these babies are different. /6 Graph from the QT with lines showing that the 21/22 and 22/2
Alright so I’m circling back to this because it seems that some people still don’t understand what this data shows.

The X axis of this graph is *cohorts of babies*, not years. The cohorts are divided up based on first RSV season as infants. Graph from the lead tweet with notes added:  The X axis is cGraph from the lead tweet showing the increase in RSV admiss
The bars show the ages at which the kids in each cohort ended up in the hospital with RSV. The years they were admitted are NOT on the graph! This is cumulative RSV admissions by cohort + their age on admission.

The unexposed gap year babies have the *lowest* cumulative total. Graph from the lead tweet with notes added:  The X axis is c
Here I’ve added the years they were admitted to the graph. @jmcrookston also did a good job breaking it down in his tweet.
Graph from the lead tweet with notes and year of admission a
Ok so here’s the smoking gun: the double cohort

So the “immunity gap” or “double cohort” effect stipulates that the increase in admissions during the rebound RSV epidemic is a game of catch up where the gap year 20/21 cohort and the 21/22 cohort are all exposed at the same time.
Look again. The 2020/21 cohort and the 2021/22 cohort were exposed to the same 2 RSV seasons: 2021/22 and this year 2022/23. If this was just a game of catch up, of inevitability of RSV admissions, then these 2 cohorts should have the same cumulative total. They don’t. Graph from the lead tweet with notes and year of admission a
Not only do the 20/21 cohort and 21/22 cohort not have the same cumulative total despite being exposed to the same 2 RSV seasons, what we see is a protective effect of the gap year for the 20/21 kids (lower total RSV admissions) and *excess RSV admissions* for the 21/22 cohort!! Graph from the lead tweet with notes and year of admission a
Basically, not exposing the 20/21 cohort to RSV as infants prevented many hospitalizations. Not being exposed to RSV early was a net positive for these kids. And we see that the subsequent cohorts (21/22 and 22/23 babies) have an increased susceptibility to severe RSV. Graph from the lead tweet with notes and year of admission aGraph from the lead tweet showing the increase in RSV admiss
In case it’s still not clear, @BarclayBenedict provided a second way to visualize the cumulative RSV admissions data by cohort here, that I also annotated for you to highlight the prepandemic average vs the 20/21 gap year kids and the 21/22 + 22/23 babies.
Graph from the quote tweet annotated to highlight the increa
Again, we can clearly see that there are less cumulative RSV admissions for the gap year kids (getting rid of RSV during their infancy prevented many of them from being hospitalized!) and excess RSV admissions for kids exposed to RSV in infancy in the pandemic era. Same graph as previous tweet + Additional notes at the botto
So what’s not behind the rise in RSV hospitalizations (and the peds crisis):

- immunity debt✖️
nope, non-exposure in infancy was an advantage

- cohort effect alone✖️
total hospitalizations are lower for the non-exposed cohort and higher than expected for the subsequent cohorts
So what is behind the rise in RSV hospitalizations (and the peds crisis)?

Increased susceptibility to severe RSV for kids born in 2021/2022 and the current 2022/23 infant cohort. Same graph again from the QT further up annotated to highligGraph from the lead tweet showing the increase in RSV admiss
I don’t know exactly what made these babies more susceptible to severe RSV infections but as I’ve pointed out before, we need to be looking at the role of covid infections in utero on outcomes in infancy. Don’t @ me w claims of “generational immunity debt”. Read this 🧵 instead:
And then follow it up with this 🧵
There’s lots of evidence that covid + pregnancy = badness. And these studies were pre-vaccine (sorry antivaxxers). We know now that in general the vaccines are good at lowering the odds of covid-related badness but are only partially protective.
Let me put it this way, if SARS2 was a new drug given in pregnancy and we saw these outcomes in infants in the years following its introduction, it would have been pulled from the shelves already. Normally, we would be quick on the trigger to protect pregnant women and infants.
But nothing about the current era is normal anymore is it?
Further reading. “Immunity debt” and “immunity gap” don’t explain the increased susceptibility of 45+ year olds to severe RSV either.👇🏻
And a thread on the 2 RSV waves in Denmark since the 1 missed RSV season 2 years ago. Compared to the rebound season in 2021/22 last year, there’s less RSV and more admissions per cases this year. Thank you for sharing all of this very informative data @BarclayBenedict.

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Mar 4
Public health has changed a lot since covid. Here’s a really concrete example of that. In 2019, PH in Montreal published a really detailed list of places people were exposed to measles: bus routes, malls, walmart, etc. In 2024? The list is just healthcare, schools + the airport.
From a 2019 Montreal Gazette article:  Those sites include the Walmart store on the Chomedey autoroute; the Second Cup outlet as well as common areas near Gate 2 at Carrefour Laval; the Laval Excellence gymnastics club on St-Martin Blvd. E.; the Oeufrier restaurant, the Dollarama store and Proxim pharmacy on Laurentides Blvd.  Buses running on the No. 20 and 70 routes in Laval at specific times on June 26 are also deemed as at-risk areas.  The areas and precise exposure times are available at the ministry’s website. A person considered contagious visited the mall on June 26.  The call for v...
The list of measles exposures from the 2024 Montreal outbreak which includes on healthcare facilities, childcare/school and the airport.
Why the sudden change in what information is made public? I highly doubt that *none* of these measles cases exposed people anywhere else. Did any of them go to a pharmacy or grocery store or coffee shop or hockey rink? And if so, why aren’t any of these locations being published?
Not publishing these locations means 1. people don’t have the opportunity to protect themselves and others post-exposure and 2. the fact that people are actively being exposed in the community (not just clinics and airports) is not being made explicit for the public.
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Dec 15, 2023
@Penelope19920 @jvipondmd As soon as the IPAC email goes out letting everyone know they need to wear masks, everyone wears masks. If IPAC decides everyone has to wear respirators, then everyone wears respirators. This actually isn’t hard at all. Why leadership would make it seem like it is, is baffling.
@Penelope19920 @jvipondmd They lean on hand wave-y concepts like mask fatigue when I have never once received a survey asking me how I felt about masking. None of this is evidence based. Since 2022, they seem to be making decisions based on “feels”.
@Penelope19920 @jvipondmd Do you know what happens in hospitals when HCWs get hand washing fatigue? They hire people to patrol the wards and make sure we’re washing our hands when we’re going in and out of patient rooms. They don’t give us hand washing breaks and just let c.diff run wild for a while. 😒
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Dec 8, 2023
StatCan just dropped a bombshell report on LC. This is the most important figure. It highlights that the risk of long term symptoms is cumulative, it increases with increasing number of infections. By 3+ infections, 38% report long term symptoms — that’s 1 in every 2.6 people. 🤯 Data table for Chart 2 — Percentage of Canadian adults with long term symptoms, by number of self reported covid-19 infections, June 2023 1 infection — 14.6% 2 infections — 25.4% 3 or more infections — 37.9%
Right now 1 in every 9 Canadians has long covid. 80% have symptoms for longer than 6 months and 50% just never recovered.

Full report here:
www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-…
How long before the majority of the population is at 3+ infections and 1 in every 2-3 people is suffering from long covid?

What’s the plan @GovCanHealth? Full speed ahead or? 🚆
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Dec 2, 2023
We’re in our *3rd* post-lockdown viral respiratory season and admissions for viral resp illness+pneumonia are 6 standard deviations above the historical average. I do not understand how so many reasonable people haven’t figured out that the “immunity debt” scapegoat is disinfo.🧵
It’s not the lockdowns, it’s the covid. Covid damages immune systems. Catching covid makes people more susceptible to catching other infections. Immunity theft, not immunity debt. A thread of evidence:
This study found that the risk of RSV infection needing medical attention was 40% higher in kids that had covid vs those that didn’t. Both in 2021 and 2022. Yes they checked twice.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37832975/
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Nov 17, 2023
“We report a consistent increase in the risk of persistent symptoms after reinfection compared to first infection. All post-acute symptoms mentioned in the WHO clinical case definition appeared more common after reinfection than after a 1st infection”

‘RoBuSt HyBriD iMmuNiTy’ 🤪 Screenshot of the article linked in the next tweet “The burden of post-acute COVID-19 symptoms in a multinational network cohort analysis”
Yet another study showing that more infections = more morbidity. Can we like warn people maybe? Feels like something people might want to know.
nature.com/articles/s4146…
“Escalation of commitment: A human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continue the behavior instead of altering course.”

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Nov 14, 2023
I’m very optimistic that vaccine/treatment breakthroughs + better air hygiene standards will change the game at some point. But I’d also like to point out that preserving one’s short and long term health is an endgame in and of itself. It’s the endgame for so many things we do…
The endgame of exercise? Health.
The endgame of limiting alcohol? Health.
The endgame of treated tap water? Health.
The endgame of tossing spoiled food? Health.
The endgame of cooking meat to temp? Health.
The endgame of washing your hands? Health.
The endgame of screening and checkups? Health.
The endgame of carseats and seatbelts? Health.
The endgame of helmets? Health.
The endgame of brushing your teeth? Health.
The endgame of condoms? Health.
The endgame of indoor smoking bans? Health.
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