The court has resumed for the day and JD is back in the jury box to continue his evidence. BG is returning to the recoding of his interview on May 18, 2016 #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "ARe you an honest man?" JD: "Yes I am an honest man, never. Never a scent. All I wanted to do was help people, if they wanted a nice car there was another way."
BG: "You have accepted now you told lies?" JD: "I didn't tell lies. Children haven't been in school. Death threats on their Twitter pages. Daughter has to leave her job. Fear has happened, worse. In the last trial people lined up to come in a lie." #Regency #Hutch
"I've hear five days now. All you're doing is attacking me. I've nothing else to add to it." BG: "I'm going to keep asking the questions, if you want to go off on another monologue that's fine. I've a job to do."
BG: "You accept their lies but you have an explanation?" JD: "I was in a very bad place back then. I'm hear to answer questions as best I can." 'Regency #Hutch
BG: "You didn't have to say anything to the Guards back then. You also had a solicitor with you. You understood the process and didn't have to say anything? You didn't have to praise GH? Isn't that right?" JD: "It is." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You have blamed the Garda, the media, some Twitter account?" JD: "I didn't name the media. This happened back in 2016. Since I said I would give evidence, the level of the intimidation. My mother has been threatened, lives in another country now." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Be vary careful what you say about where anyone is because there are things you appear you want to say but I won't be able to stop you." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You said you lied about GH coming to you and speaking about the Regency? You also lied about him coming to you for advice on mediation?" JD: "That's right." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You lied about being at the Regency and the Gardai gave you ample opportunity to explain why you were there and why you booked a room?" JD: "I've explained all this." #Regency #Hutch
Asked about the day Gardai searched his home, JD: "I knew there was massive possibility that the Gardai found the Alex Hurley USB stick. I had lost it." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Where were you on Feb 4?" JD: "I can't remember." BG: "Was that a lie?" JD: "I knew where I was on the fourth but I couldn't say." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Gardai gave you every opportunity to say where you were but you decided to lie?" JD: "I've explained all this, I did remember." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Asked about the weapons and you say you had no knowledge?" JD: "The media said they were Gadaffi's guns and I was supposed to have got them, but no I didn't tell the guards. I did explain it to them." BG: "After you were charged with murder. This year?" JD: "That's correct
GDA: "When did you leave SF?" JD: "It's in the media, I can't remember what date. I think it was 2015. You arrested me in front of my kids. I've no involvement in anything. I'm not answering any more questions about my life. I've done my best to help yis." #Regency #Hutch
Clarifying an earlier comment, JD told Garda: "I've never visited a political prisoner." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You're saying person wasn't a political prisoner, Pearse McAuley?" JD: "He wasn't a political prisoner at that time." BG: "Refusing to divulge who you visited?" JD: "That's correct." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "You said you haven't been at the Regency in 5 years?" JD: "I was there for a white collar boxing event." BG: "That's a lie?" JD: "I was in the car park." BG: "But that's a lie that you weren't at the hotel?" JD: "In all my statements this stuff." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "You don't keep a diary?" JD: "No." GDA: "When house searched there was a diary found, is that yours?" JD: "I couldn't tell ya. There's 7 people living in my house. I don't keep a diary." #Regency #Hutch
GDA again ask him to account for his movements on Feb 4. JD: "I don't remember, no. Don't remember yesterday at this stage." GDA: "Did you visit the Regency on the Feb 4?" JD: "NO." GDA: "It was the night before?" JD: "Wasn't relevant to me, I don't remember." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You're lying again?" JD: "I didn't know the room was involved." BG; "That's not what you're being asked?" JD: "I knew who was involved in the Regency at that stage." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Do you remember driving your father to the hotel on that day?" JD: "I drive my father a lot of places, he doesn't drive. Before the March 9, I'd probably remember a lot more. Business gone, tried to commit suicide. All yis are doing are destroying me life." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Investigations have committed since Feb 5 at the murder of DB at the Regency. Inquiries have established that call made to the hotel, booking taken from a mobile number, Trisha's number. Booked a room, cc provided. Visa card in name of Trisha's father." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "PD then arrives at hotel, takes a room key, pays for room in cash, then meets a man, hands the room key over." JD: "That's bollix, you'd have to ask me father about that." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Another man arrives at the hotel and uses that room key to enter the hotel?" JD: "Why are you asking me this, about people checking into rooms." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You lied about driving your father to the hotel?" JD; "I suppose I did." BG: "Up this point you're saying you didn't think there was anything wrong with booking the room. Why are you telling the Gda, it slipped my mind there that you booked a room for Patsy." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "In my statements that Patsy asked me father about the room and he said he got nothing to do with anything." BG: "Did I mishear that you said you were told to say nothing about the room." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "We were told to say nothing about who asked you to booked the room." BG: "Who told you?" JD: "Patsy. It's in me statement. I told the Guards about coming to the house, this is not new stuff." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "My memory might be wrong, you're saying this was said and you said this to the Guards." JD: "We were told the van wasn't involved in anything, we were told the room wasn't involved in anything and I believed that." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "This room was booked initially by your wife's telephone, her father's cc, your father checked in and that the card passed to somebody else and that person stayed in the room. If that was all innocent why didn't you tell the Gardai that?" #Regency #Hutch
Shown aCCTV of father arriving at hotel. JD told Gardai: "Do you know where your father is? My father is a harmless man." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You're playing with the Guards now. You knew full well what the situation was?" JD: "I didn't know what the situation was?" #Regency #Hutch
JD to GDA: "That's me Dad's business. I don't know what he booked a room for. Youse are telling me he booked a room, what more can I say to that?" #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "From cell phone analysis from your phone and your father's phone, your phone was in the area of the Regency Hotel, so was your father's phone. Would suggest you were in the area of the Regency?" JD; "No comment to that." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You said it had nothing to do with you, that was a lie then?" JD: "I still say I didn't know what the room was to be used for." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Your phone and Dad's pinging around your home address when the call was made to your wife's phone?" JD: "I don't understand how phones work so I don't know." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Is that another lie, you don't know how phones work?" JD: "Your talking about pinging off satellites, I wasn't aware of that." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "We have directly linked the man who stayed in the room to the murder of DB?" JD: "But I don't know anything about that, you should speak to me father about it." #Regency #Hutch
GDA explains to JD about phone masts. JD: "I'm tired now at this stage." GDA telling him to think about what they're staying, reiterate significance of it and that wife's phone used to book it and father-in-law's cc used. #Regency #Hutch
JD: "Father lives in my house, surely he has girlfriends. You'd want to be stupid to use your own card. It's a likely a coincidence. This isn't relevant to me, I didn't book a room." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You didn't have to say anything, you tried to lie your way out of and put it on your father. Before we get anywhere near who stayed in the room, you knew your father didn't book the room for a girlfriend encounter." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "I'm telling you he didn't use the room. Shortly after a man arrived, he went up in the escalator and stayed there. He came back out and he did certain things." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "This room has been directly linked to the murder of DB. We're telling you that your phone was pinging off a nearby phone mast, that's why it's of significance to you." #Regency #HUTCH
Asked by BG why he came up with these stories, JD said: "I didn't know what the room was for. I couldn't say anything." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Spent a lot of time telling us you have no involvement in criminality and not linked to the Regency murder and here we are saying we have a link." JD: "I was not involved that murder, I'm explaining nothing. This is news to me." #Regency #Hutch
JD to Gardai: "I had no connection to the Regency Hotel murder in any shape or form." #Regency #Hutch
GDA told JD: "You are now a suspect. What's happening here is what happened and we can what happened. Can you see now why you are connected to this murder?" JD: "I'm not connected to this murder in any way." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "Why would I be involved in the murder of people I had never met before in my life?" #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Did you think the Gardai were tricking you?" JD: "But I wasn't involved in the murder of DB." BG: "You could have said no comment, but you were engaging with them and telling them lies." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "What were you arrested for?" JD: "For murder." BG: "When?" JD: "On Feb 5." BG: "Where?" JD: "At the Regency?" #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Putting all of this to you in a fair manner, and told you the relevance?" JD: "I didn't know anything about the room. I new a room had been booked, that I drove my father over. I never new someone stayed in that room." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "They asked you about facilitating the murder?" JD: "It's true, I didn't know anything about the murder." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I didn't book that room." GDA: "You didn't drive your father over to book that room?" JD: "I can't remember, I've no comment. It's not a crime to drive on any street. Not a crime to be in an area." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Being quite indignant, you're saying you didn't book the room? You're saying you didn't drive your father?" JD: "I couldn't say anything." BG: "Why did you just say nothing instead of tell lies?" #Regency #Hutch
JD: "You know I couldn't say anything in that police station. You have just wanted to drag me in here and call me a liar." #Regency #Hutch
Gardai read out JD's father-in-law statement to him, says he always wanted to help out his family and often loaned credit card. #Regency #Hutch
JD: "We have cc, we'd borrow money like the rest of them. Don't know what his details." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "According to the statement read out by your father-in-law, this was very unusual." JD: "There was nothing strange about using Paul's VISA card." BG: "He said I don't recollect Trisha looking for the details in recent years until then?" #Regency #Hutch
GDA said there was no money drawn from it, it was only used to secure the room. JD: "I don't know, I've nothing else to add. I've been over it 25 times." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I don't personally book holidays. I don't know how they work. I didn't book the room, I wasn't involved in it and that's all I have to say." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You don't know how to book a room?" JD: "Trisha did everything to do with finances." #Regency #Hutch
The court is now back after lunch. Gda interviews being shown again, where JD is being asked about his wife's phone was being used to book the room with her father's credit card #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I don't know anything about the murder at the Regency Hotel. I'm blue in the face telling yis that. I didn't book any room. I'm after telling yis 25 times." #Regency #Hutch
Asked could someone have done something unknowingly, JD: "I've never discussed the Regency Hotel or anything to do with the Regency Hotel with anybody." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Are you telling us that was a lie?" JD: "It's the same as what I told you. It's the same as my statement. I couldn't say anything." #Regency #Hotel
JD: "One of the days I was in here, outlined to the Gardai, 49 pages. The reason I didn't say anything at the time has been explained. I couldn't speak, I went and spoke. I can't elaborate or say anymore." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You were involved in the booking of the room. You've pleaded guilty to facilitating the murder?" JD: "I know I have Mr Grehan." #Regency #Hutch
Gardai asked him again about his wife's phone being used. JD: "I don't know anything about it." GDA: "You are the commonality between the people we suspect were involved, not your wife or your father." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "You're a friend of GH?" JD: "I'm not, knew him from the club and called up once or twice." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You're saying I've commented, I've answered that." JD: "I imagine they went off investigated what I said. I've made statements and I'm here." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You said definitively that GH never spoke to you about the Regency?" JD: "I know, I couldn't say that. This is five days we're at this now, what else do you want me to say." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You said definitively that GH never spoke to you and about the Regency, ever?" JD: "I was always going to speak to the Guards." BG:"After you were charged?" JD: "And before I was charged." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "In 2018 I was moved in Wheatfield Prison, I was forced on to that landing. Every visit you have people know about it. I couldn't speak to the Guards." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You weren't going to your Guards until D Supt Paul Scott was contacted by your solicitor. After you were charged." JD: "That's your opinion." #Regency #Hutch
Back to the interviews, Gda put it to him that he had not met GH, "maybe at a boxing match, that correct?" JD: "Yes." GDA: "J, please consider your position? Whatever happens to you, you're 38, you're young enough to recover from it." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I've been proved guilty from day one, according to the media. My life and my business will never recover from this. I might be shot dead so don't tell me I'll recover from this." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Don't say the Guards did this. Don't throw accusations at the Gardai." JD: "My life is destroyed. I had nothing to do with the Regency." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Your wife's phone was used to book the room, your father booked the room, your father-in-law's cc was used. Your phone was hitting off a mast at home. Your father then arrives and collects a key for a room. Your phone is then hitting off a mast beside the #Regency?" #Hutch
JD: "I have no knowledge of anything that happened at the Regency. I don't know the Byrnes or anyone else named in the media." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Why are you getting so angry?" JD: "My life was upside down and it hasn't changed." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Do you have any idea why you're father didn't give the address he was living and gave an address which could be connected to your brother?" JD: "I have no idea. He stayed with my brother sometimes, had a boat he stayed on. He had no permanent home." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I don't know my brother's address." BG: "It's a disguised address? JD: "I know it's number 6." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "I understand it was not a complete address. But you can't tell us your brother's address? Or why he gave his address and not yours?" JD: "I can't. You have me here five days and that's to show I'm a liar." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Sometimes you have to demonstrate that someone's a liar." JD: "I don't think you are demonstrating." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I spoke to the Guards. I pleaded guilty to the room. I didn't do anything wrong in booking the room. I didn't know what it was to be used for." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You'd want to be living on the moon to know how phones work. You know now." JD: "I do." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "In this modern age we all have our phones with us. You must have had yours with you when you went North with GH and you must have had it with you when you met GH in a park?" JD: "I'm sure I did." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You said you were afraid, that's why you said nothing about the room? The same couldn't be said when you went North on your so-called peace trips?" #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You had no reason to lie about that?" JD: "Well I didn't tell them." BG: "What can be more laudable and different than being involved in the murder. You lied about it?" JD: "Whatever you say." #Regency #Hutch
We're back. BG is asking him about the address and number his father used to book the room, but told Gardai he cancelled it. JD: "He didn't stay there. I don't know if he said he cancelled it. I don't know." #Regency #Hutch
Back to the interviews, Gardai say him and his father's phones are in Cabra, at 18.19 when the call was made. Within the hour, JD and PD's phone is pinging at the Regency. JD: "I don't remember the 4th. I remember the fifth because it was all over the place." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I don't recalled being at the Regency Hotel." BG: "You still recall not being at the Regency even though your phone is pinging off the mast." JD: "I've explained this." #Regency #Hutch
Gardai showed him CCTV of his father going into the hotel. JD: "I don't know what you're trying to say, it's me father at the hotel." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I don't know why he was at the hotel. Maybe he was meeting a woman, maybe he was meeting a man. I don't know." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Were there with your father at the Regency?" JD: "No." GDA: "Were you outside the Regency?" JD: "No." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Did you drop your father to the hotel?" JD: "I can't recall. A lot has happened." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "Me father has been at hotels before." GDA: "The following day there was a murder at the hotel, I'm outlining facts." #Regency #Hutch
To BG, JD: "I didn't know that man was in that room. You know why I couldn't say anything." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You took care to make sure your jeep didn't appear on any CCTV?" JD: "That's nonsense" BG: "You did remember Feb 4 because did a lot but you lied?" JD: "That's correct." #Regency #Hutch
JD to the Gardai: "Do you remember where you were on Feb 4?" Garda: "I don't but I remember where I was on the fifth." #Regency #HUTCH
Gardai show JD proof his phone and his Dad's phone went to Lifford on Feb 4. JD: "I don't know where I was. I don't remember." #Regency #Hutch
JD :"I don't even know where Lifford is. You're saying I was. I can't remember going to Lifford." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I can't remember where I was. I travel all over the country for work. What's the significance of this? I can't remember last week." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "The Gardai had your phone records and you have said you were up in the North looking for someone to mediate?" JD: "Gardai thought I was up getting flatcap, that I had got him, when I didn't. I didn't know the significance of that part of the country." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I couldn't discuss any of this. Flatcap was from that area and they believe I drove to that area to meet Flatcap. Things became clear to me later in the interviews. They thought I met Flatcap, which was untrue." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I couldn't discuss anything on that, I didn't know why was I being asked about Lifford. I found later Kevin Murray was from that area and that I had met him. I never met the man." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "They thought you brought him back down to Dublin?" JD: "Correct. I didn't know the man, I had never met the man." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "Stuff was unfolding in those interviews that weren't clear to me at the time. I explained everything that I knew." BG; "This year?" JD: "It doesn't matter when." BG: "Yes it does matter." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "I didn't discuss what I was told, I didn't discuss anything about the Regecny in the Garda station." BG: "You didn't know where the Garda were going with this so you decided to lie?" JD: "That's your opinion." #Regency #Hutch
JD to GDA: "It's off no significance to me the fourth of Feb. I wasn't involved in the Regency Hotel or the murder of DB so you can produce whatever phone records you like." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "From 9th of March, everything is a blur. I was in hospital on Sunday, I got a death notice on Monday and I was told to leave the country." #Regency #Hutch
JD: "The fourth of Feb or the fifth of Feb are of no relevance to me. It's disgraceful that a man's life was taken, as it is any man's life, but it is of no relevance to me." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "Did you have your phone with you on the fourth of Feb?" JD: "I don't know, I'm sure I did." GDA: "Did you go to Lifford on your holidays then?" JD: "No. I can't remember being in Lifford." #Regency #Hutch
GDA: "So could your phone have gone to Lifford?" JD: "Maybe it got one the bus and went up." GDA: "No bus took that route." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You're even joking with them." JD: "What I was in Lifford for had nothing to do with the Regency. I was meeting people." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "You were asked by Patsy to make contact with the Northern Command of the IRA. You met Wee, Shane Rowan, the man caught with the AK47s and Kevin O'Neill, a very serious distant?" JD: "That's correct." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "That's what you were doing up in Lifford?" JD: "Gardai saying that day that I travelled to meet Flatcap, which was totally untrue. They know I never met Flatcap." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Then you learned that they had audio of you on March 7, that must have come as a great shock to you?" JD: "It would have come as a great shock to anyone." BG: "They you proceeded to no comment your way through it when they put it to you?" #Regency #Hutch
JD: "This was 7 years ago, I haven't seen them since." BG: "You haven't seen them? This was the basis on which you were charged with murder?" JD: "But I knew I had nothing to do with the audio." #Regency #Hutch
BG tells JD that we're only just starting with the audio and JD asks for another quick toilet break #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Could we just clear up this issue with your uncle Jimmy who you have fallen out with. You did fall out with your uncle Jimmy?" JD: "I'm here to speak about the Regency. If the Gardai want to speak about that they can. I didn't do it." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "I'm bringing you up because it proves you told another lie?" JD: "I'm not going through anymore of family stuff. I'm not going down that road again. I've cleared it up." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "No you didn't clear it up." BG put to him comments he made about his uncle Jimmy on the transcripts. BG: "You're bragging about the fact that you lied to your uncle Jimmy. Would you like to clear that up?" JD: "It was bravado talk." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Somebody from SF had interviewed about this when you were going for the councillor position?" JD: "I spoke about with SF. I'm going to speak anymore about his. He has already sent people to his home to try and get him to come into court." #Regency #Hutch
BG: "Why were you saying you did it?" JD: "It was bravado talk. I'm not going into in court for your client's benefit. I had no enemies before this, every person's name mentioned in this court is another set of enemies." #Regency #Hutch
BG puts to him again about JD claiming he "riddled" his uncle's house. JD: "Your honour, my uncle's house was never shot up." BG: "Your uncle's house was shot up and he named you as the only person he had a falling out with." #Regency #Hutch
Sean Gillane says his statement also says his uncle is satisfied he didn't do it. JD: "There's more to it and it's all to satisfy that man over there (GH). He's terrorising my family. There is a barrage of more threats and more threats." #Regency #Hutch
JD begs Judge to leave it there for today. Judge Burns asks JD would he be ok with sitting earlier at 10.30? JD: "No problem you're honour." #Regency #Hutch
Judge Burns asks BG where is at and that might not be able to sit Tuesday afternoon. TB: "Limit to the amount of time a witness can sit." BG happy to start as early as possible. See where we are Monday, says TB #Regency #Hutch
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