Structural differences between disinfo/not-disinfo fascinate me.
It's like, irrespective of the underlying truth, industrialized lie systems have common traits.
So, compare how Cray Zone covers "NAFO = Nazis!" to what @kristenhare says here about covering hate groups -
It's like, irrespective of the underlying truth, industrialized lie systems have common traits.
So, compare how Cray Zone covers "NAFO = Nazis!" to what @kristenhare says here about covering hate groups -
I'd add just one more rule here:
When you cover hate groups *don't make them look cool*.
Example: Riley June Williams, the genius who planned to sell Pelosi's laptop to Russia.
businessinsider.com/capitol-rioter…
Running her own Nazi vanity pics was a bad idea.
When you cover hate groups *don't make them look cool*.
Example: Riley June Williams, the genius who planned to sell Pelosi's laptop to Russia.
businessinsider.com/capitol-rioter…
Running her own Nazi vanity pics was a bad idea.
Compare this to how Cray Zone covers #NAFO.
Even if I conceded, for the sake of argument, that NAFO really was, like, some... what is it now, gay CIA/Jewish-people plot to make Russia look bad...
This would still be an irresponsible way of covering it.
Even if I conceded, for the sake of argument, that NAFO really was, like, some... what is it now, gay CIA/Jewish-people plot to make Russia look bad...
This would still be an irresponsible way of covering it.
https://twitter.com/JoohnChoe/status/1583318067303440386?s=20&t=T7Mk8C0dB0X8Bj6i_bvFFA
The problems extend beyond merely seeking not seeking comment from people before accusing them of ideological stances they're supposed to have.
That's a methodological problem.
That's just shoddy journalism, which is ordinary for Cray Zone.
That's a methodological problem.
That's just shoddy journalism, which is ordinary for Cray Zone.
https://twitter.com/JoohnChoe/status/1583317495057817600?s=20&t=T7Mk8C0dB0X8Bj6i_bvFFA
The core problem here is that even if it were the case that NAFO were actually Nazis, looking at other REAL researchers who have actually done REAL work against Nazis... this would not be the right way to talk about it.
Cray Zone would actually end up conventionalizing Nazism.
Cray Zone would actually end up conventionalizing Nazism.
Compare, now, what Hare says about fascists' tactics of "conventionalizing" hatred, with how NAFO behaves and acts; indeed, what its biggest (or perhaps stupidest) enemies have accused it of.
This kind of rhetorical act from #parmesanGirl should tell you how backwards that is.
This kind of rhetorical act from #parmesanGirl should tell you how backwards that is.
What's really fascinating here is, if I were an external observer - and not someone "claiming" NAFO since early September - and I didn't know the truth of the "NAFO = Nazis!" accusation... could I find out the truth myself?
As it stands, I think so. It's in how people talk.
As it stands, I think so. It's in how people talk.
I would be hard-pressed to think of anything that #NAFO is conventionalizing besides, like, disliking Russia; part of the problem is that it is ironic by its very nature (the "brain-damaged cartoon dogs" thing).
That structural aspect of NAFO speech is simply missing.
That structural aspect of NAFO speech is simply missing.
More importantly, when you look at the people who add nuance, and cast complex international/foreign-policy/diplomacy problems as more than merely Manichean good-Russia/bad-America issues...
Those people tend to be telling truths. And they look nothing like Cray Zone.
Those people tend to be telling truths. And they look nothing like Cray Zone.
It's like, the lack of "flattening" nuance, the prizing of diversity, the informality and irony mixed with the deadly-serious business of calling out lies in a war based on such lies...
Those are all (arguably) intrinsic, structural features of anti-disinfo activism.
Those are all (arguably) intrinsic, structural features of anti-disinfo activism.
It's an interesting philosophical question that cashes out into concrete words, images, and memes.
The question extends beyond "what makes disinfo what it is?"
It becomes "what makes NAFO what it is?"
I think it's more than a "what", it's also a "how".
The question extends beyond "what makes disinfo what it is?"
It becomes "what makes NAFO what it is?"
I think it's more than a "what", it's also a "how".
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