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Dec 21 17 tweets 7 min read
Most esoteric systems & philosophy are expressible as a set of mappings. Concretes ("fire") are mapped into abstracts ("doctrine")

Relations between concretes stand in, or speak obliquely about relationships between abstracts

Plato's Cave:
in the Christian Trinity, the concretes are things like Father and Son, which is not literally meant

"Actual illustration is an exercise in futility"
Systems are not always so explicit in this mapping but sometimes they are. "Tree", "Crown", "Pillars", etc.

Mid left text, "Astrological Associations", there are mappings *between* systems too
One of the wildest and most involved of these I've seen is the "Occult Anatomy of Man"

Which is, uh, fairly involved to say the least in its correspondences between concretes (parts of the body) and abstracts (various occult, astrological, and other symbols/associations)
note that often the referent abstracts (things concretes refer to) may themselves be symbols standing for something else. In occult anatomy of man, a thing might stand for "astrological mercury" which is just an invitation to another level of symbolic mapping
some systems build up a library of symbols, and lots and lots of mappings with layers of concretes (spring, summer, stars in the sky) and abstracts (friendship, pleasure)

here, astrology
If you build up an entire system of symbols within some tradition, this enables a new form of abstract communication beyond words, which I sorta think of as "symbolic language"

This game is very very old. As old as humans. Once you know how to look for it, it's everywhere.

Whether you know it or not, you already know how to read some kinds of symbolic language! (That's why it's so popular/powerful: transcending words, still legible)
this type of human communication is lousy for analytical chemistry or mechanical engineering, but it excels in certain other areas that are critical to humanity. That's why it's been around forever and always will be

back to symbolic mapping, because references are unstable, this causes many of the failure modes of esoteric systems and religions you would probably recognize

You see, the symbol/sign just isn't the thing itself, it's just a pale stand-in
Christian trinitarians who refer to the "father" and the "son" do not literally mean father (shared DNA, helped raise a boy) it is an allusion to the type of relationship

but obv if you get too wrapped up in the literal father/son connection, you'll likely go the wrong way
what'll really bake your noodle is the realization that if the mappings are different, or conflict, or are multi-valent, the system can still work. A mapping system needs to be consistent, but not necessarily coherent in order to "work" as we need it to
this will probably anger partisans but this last point here imho takes off the table questions of who is "right" and "wrong" in symbolic interpretation or religious endeavors, and why ecumenicalism is so important to me
these systems are all exploring the same ineffable space using the same flawed human communication scheme

the map is not the territory, so it's to be patient with criticisms like "your topo map is wrong, this street map is right"
We only have but so many ways to get real facts into the brain. Only so many ways to create hard, concrete references that everyone can verify for themselves. And hence a limited vocabulary we can map onto for communication with others
Religion=good/bad is too simple, don't go for it. I would prefer to separate and steelman their esoteric context, while being open at all times to analyzing and critiquing the exoteric methods.

God doesn't need silver candlesticks but the church might

Bonus examples of symbolic language; the Masonic Chart (1876) and a 1st degree tracing board

These make sense to #Freemasons but not to others, as the system is internally coherent & consistent

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Dec 21
If there were ineffable things that don't lend themselves to good representation with words, you might still see them surface as:

allusions, allegories
vague/veiled words
visual & musical art
intuitions/intimations
I have many thoughts about what this means but nobody wants a 30-tweet nerd thread about an interpretation that's probably wrong. Suffice to say, there's more to this than you'll get on first read if you're so inclined
interpretation/exegesis of texts particularly related to art (poems, songs, plays, etc) makes me secretly suspect that authors can encode more meaning into things than even they themselves have access to

and why not? Because the subconscious is real
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in one you discard the ginger, the other the syrup

same ingredients, proportions; different outcomes depending on desired deliverable
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bread is water, yeast, flour, salt in a general range of proportions. With the last 5% you can get fancy, have any of 1k different admixture things (fruit, nuts, savory, whatevs).

Same basic set of principles gets you the entire universe of good bread
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the discourse seriously entertains computers replacing humans and going to mars when I cannot buy a machine that does full-auto laundry for me

where is the daily useful innovation? And if it's "too hard to deliver" why do we think AGI is easier?
Wanted: machine where I toss everything unsorted into a hopper, and where cleaned, dried, folded clothes come out in neat stacks on the other end, sorted by family member wearing it
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The men's suit. It's a way to not be naked, but it's also a powerful signaling device that's very culturally loaded
suits are the uniform of power, wealth, and success. That's why "power suit" is a thing, and "power tie" too
suits are about self-respect, showing "sense of occasion" and respect for others, or setting (e.g. important transactions, graduations, funerals, weddings)
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Pardes, and exegesis (critical explanation or interpretation of a text) can apply to most any text

Let's do "the tortoise and the hare" one of Aesop's fables. Image
I think most people know the tortoise and the hare but here's a recap if you don't. Image
the plain surface meaning is that a rabbit raced a tortoise, and the tortoise won the race, which was unexpected.

Simple, that's what the story says. While there are other levels at play, this is an accurate and complete account.
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"Stay within OP's frame (or extend it)". If the claim is coffee is best morning drink, disagree about morning drinks; do not switch frames and talk about after-dinner drinks (coffee is bad bc caffeine)
the frame that OP offers is the "playground" so to speak. If each utterance is an invitation to play, you need to play *here* not on some other playground of your invention. That's the frame/supporting OP.
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