OK, so China...
Do I agree with some of the draconian measures used to implement their COVID strategy? Of course not.
However, there are some laudable achievements at play. Their test/trace/isolate network is incredible. They have also kept deaths right down following the first
emergence of SARS2 back in 2019. No small feat in a country of 1.4 bn inhabitants. If they had the same deaths/100k as the UK we're talking an unprecedented humanitarian crisis. Sadly, we may be about to see a version of this.
Have they completely unlocked and r "living" with
the virus? Well, no. In fact, they retain a pretty good set of mitigations, the likes of which would be great to see here.

So, what's the problem? Well, China simply doesn't have the extent of vaccine/infection induced immunity that we have. They made their own killed virus vax,
which is less effective than our mRNA vaccines. Killed vaccines also tend to be better at inducing antibody responses than Tcell responses, but there's a spectrum. Could they have accessed our vaccines? Yes, but at huge cost I imagine, but worth it IMHO. I don't know enough on
the geopolitical stuff around acquiring them to comment further...@globalhlthtwit?

So, OK, the vaccines are less than ideal, but they also adopted a different policy in terms of their rollout, open to all ages, not necessarily prioritising older/vulnerable people. This is a real
issue in terms of susceptibility of their population to severe COVID. They have also yet to update their vax wrt circulating strains AFAIK.

So, yes, their vaccine programme is a major Achilles heel. But, they also would have been incredibly unwise to allow infection to run riot
in the way the UK and other countries have...not that this was wise at all!
A lot is made over how we're in a better position now in terms of our population immunity, but this has come at a price. >200k deaths, long COVID, other morbidity and predisposition to other sequelae are
nothing we can ignore. We are also immensely privileged by being able to boost frequently ahead of pandemic waves, which has certainly blunted their impact during 2022, but even so we have seen ~30k deaths from a so-called "mild" disease...💔🙄🤦‍♂️🤬, more than 2 million currently
"live" with long COVID, including 10s of 1000s of children.
We also retain a considerable proportion of our population that isn't protected by vaccination, mainly young children (don't get me started 🤬🤬🤬), but there are inequities by race, deprivation and even geography.
Now,
do some maths, imagine this scenario in a country with 1.4bn people...this is why antivax morons are exactly that.
So, yes, China is definitely at fault in terms of vaccines. But, their COVID policy had worked in terms of suppression, notwithstanding the human rights problems. So
why stop? They had spent most of the last few years actually living WITHOUT COVID. Yes, local restrictions were harsh, and I don't condone them at all, but just consider, this is the country where SARS2 emerged from, and they only now import cases...suppression impossible? Nope.
Sadly, we may now see a repeat of the BA2 outbreak in Hong Kong from spring 22, but upscaled to the nth degree 😢
China is over a barrel, it has made mistakes re vax, but the threat remains external from unlocking.
Should we impose travel restrictions, testing etc? Well, in
theory yes, but this seems futile and hypocritical given the remaining 6 bn people on the planet aren't similarly restricted...glass houses etc.
Is there concern re a new branch of viral evolution occurring in China? Well, yes, of course. However, this again applies across the
planet. Johnson did nothing to prevent delta being imported in 2021 despite his "roadmap"...why, I wonder?
The Chinese population will represent a very different mixing pot, so yes, we could see something different emerge,but the reduced immune pressure may also mean a China
variant is less able to thrive elsewhere...of course, evolutionary freedom could cause something else as well.
Viral diversity is never a good thing, but we seem to apply this principle unequally. Omicron subvariants are emerging relentlessly across the planet, we see multiple
and sequential waves of dominant strains in different parts of the globe...Hong Kong shows us that the Govt stance of tolerating such waves rests predominantly in our immunity, something China simply doesn't possess at present.
So, yes, virologically, test test test, limit
travel, etc, but if you do this in one place, do it for others. Omicron was from Africa, Delta from India, Alpha...from the UK!

Ultimately, what I think China and our approach show us is that in the vaccine era, which we MUST remember is SO fortuitous, neither suppression, nor
vaccines only work alone. Immunity and viral diversity remain in constant flux, we can't win the race unless we slow the virus down. However, this neither requires draconian measures, nor "restrictions" if we combine excellent vaccines with variant agnostic NPIs, with additional
benefits for other diseases, pollution etc. Please don't start immunity debting, we can do sooooo much better.
#VaccinesPlus

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Dec 8
OK, so I know that Editors generally choose headlines rather than correspondents, but I'm hoping @emilylcraig can persuade @DailyMailUK to change this one...and find a better picture!

My article in @theipaper with @AimeePaige was about immunological and

dailymail.co.uk/health/article…
epidemiological reasons that might be behind the disruption of seasonal endemic viruses, strepA etc., as well as debunking the 💩 some are spouting around the twisted immunity debt/hygiene hypothesis.
My message was that we should learn from our pandemic experiences and ensure
that children in particular are protected by vaccines and mitigations wherever possible, rather than allowing avoidable infections. The situation now could also be compounded by an increased susceptible pool from us missing e.g. influenza waves previously, and other endemic stuff
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Dec 6
This is just getting bizarre.
"Immunity debt" was coined in 2021.
The issue is some use this term for a mish-mash of flawed understanding:
1. Supposed increased individual risk because immunity hasn't been "trained"...which is utter hygiene hypothesis + immunological muscle 💩
2. The increased susceptible pool incurred when the pattern of seasonal endemic infection is disrupted...i.e. people are prevented from being sick (!), for example by improved vaccination or NPIs...this is a real thing, but...
3. The consequences of allowing exposure at the same
level as in previous years, ignoring the fact that the pandemic, whether by safeguarding, infection or otherwise, has upset seasonal infection patterns. I know some will say we shouldn't have locked down, which is valid for numbers 2, 3... which were predictable and preventable,
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Dec 3
We are in a pandemic. Protective measures were (and still are necessary).
How many lives were saved by NOT having flu or other diseases run rampant through our community?
Yes, it has led to fewer people exposed, so susceptible pool is increased.
But, this was predictable, so why
wasn't anything done to prepare?

This is a population scale issue, the problem is we accept the usual pattern of seasonal illnesses because it is PREDICTABLE, and we have accepted a certain level of harm..."for the greater good"

But, COVID, and our response has understandably
changed this pattern.

So, if we just revert to type, try to pretend that it's 2019 and the pandemic never happened, then sadly we will pay the price of an unusually bad year of epidemic waves of infection...

Surely this is just nuts? For a start, relying just on folks getting
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Dec 1
Great article by @NicolaKSDavis 👏
Absolutely spot-on from Dame Bingham, we have become utterly complacent.
As for "management like other respiratory infections", or "suffering the occasional head cold", I'm left dumfounded by Dr Harries and Prof Bell.

theguardian.com/politics/2022/…
Surely it is clear by now that the continuing diversity of SARS2, driven by unchecked prevalence, is outpacing the lackadaisical assumption that we can crowbar a pandemic into a seasonal flu shaped hole?

We are left with false equivalence once more - endemic viruses should not
be underestimated, but SARS2 remains a pandemic and we cannot sustain four or five waves within the span of a year. The NHS is crumbling, and we have done little to mitigate the resurgence of respiratory infections this winter...
How long will the focus on individual risk take
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Nov 27
Nobody defends some of the draconian measures we hear about in China, but some context...
Main thing, with a population of >bn, had China followed a "living with" policy, the death toll and hospitalisation rate would be catastrophic.
Add to this, they are

bbc.co.uk/news/world-asi…
in a comparatively bad situation when it comes to vaccines. Their killed particle vaccines aren't anywhere near as effective as mRNA spike vaccines, plus they have an issue with hesitancy, esp amongst older generations.
They are, however, moving forward with nasal vaccines, hope
they work 🤞
OK, they are indeed experiencing a spike, but this wave is comparable to one of the smaller ones the UK has faced...in a population of >1bn.

They have not built a reservoir of infection induced immunity, because they weren't willing to allow the consequences, even a
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Nov 8
This is a really important paper. Some have said it's a bad news story...
The question is should £1bn have been spent on this drug in 2021 following just a prelim analysis of a much smaller trial...
However, before we start, bravo @ChrisColButler & team👏
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…
First, a little on molnupiravir (Lagevrio).
This is a nucleoside drug, or "nuc", originally named EIDD-2801 by scientists at Emory University. It was named Molnupiravir after Thor's hammer, Mjölnir.
Nucs are the building blocks of genetic material, so RNA or DNA. Nucs are a well
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