The absolute cope going on in this Space about Andrew Tate. Talking about Balenciaga bad (it was), but Andrew Tate hero to young men. 🤯🤯🤯 The guy talking sounds devastated and worried and is taking a "wait and see" approach.
https://twitter.com/marionawfal/status/1608589106249961473
They are spending A LOT of time talking about how he's been "unfairly" deplatformed. (@OV_Matter as speaker I'm referring to)
Now @HSajwanization is promoting Dubai like he's doing a travel ad 🤯 in the middle of a supposed discussion about Tate's alleged human trafficking. At least he says he doesn't like what Tate "promotes."
@TaraBull808 in shambles
@JackPosobiec saying it's obvious it wasn't the pizza box ... that the gov in Romania obviously knew where Tate was. He quickly moves past any association.
@findgg33 calls himself a rival and, as a numerologist, says he told Andrew Tate in 2019 he would get famous in 2022 and this was always going to be the end for him because of bad karma/the year of the Tiger. Claims he informed Tate about the matrix, which Tate then used. (?)
@samiloyal_, in Dubai, says he & Andrew Tate are friends & that the arrest is not a surprise. He thinks there is a conspiracy. He says he does not believe the allegations are true and thinks Tate will get out because this "has happened before." He doesn't like "pointing fingers."
@dimestobucks claims to have family (?) in the arresting force in Romania and that they have “nothing” on Tate and he will be quickly released. The main host seems dubious.
@MarioNawfal, apparent main host, says Andrew Tate is so famous now he wouldn’t need to take this “unnecessary risk” and is shifting the conversation to Tate’s past arrest. (Mario it’s about power, not money)
@samiloyal_ says Tate is in Romania because of the “fun.” He says Tate is different IRL (smiley). He also says Tate was MORE controversial in 2019/2020.
Lol Sami saying he doesn’t think a cam girl business is illegal. (Men, I’m becoming more into women by the hour)
@stillgray saying Andrew Tate does not use hate speech (🙄) and that comments against trans people are just “common sense.”
@Kasra_dash and @stillgray agreeing with Andrew Tate saying women are partially responsible for their own rapes … for putting themselves in that position (wtf)
@patrickbetdavid saying we are all sinners who make mistakes!
@patrickbetdavid, who is listening to this insanity with his 6 year old daughter, deflects to Epstein and what he got a way with. Says timing of Tate’s arrest is suspicious.
Despite additional allegations coming out, including Andrew Tate's alleged use of physical violence against those he allegedly trafficked, @patrickbetdavid continues to drum up conspiracies and talks about Ukraine corruption.
@TomFitton says he doesn't agree w/ everything he himself says. He cautions everyone because the FBI and government have been irredeemably compromised. He says we cannot trust the system to adjudicate this. (wld you be saying this if it were a Dem under investigation, Tommy?)
@KimDotcom basically saying Andrew Tate is actually poor and LARPing, lol.
@KimDotcom says it's weird there were cameras there and that there's such an extensive, serious investigation (?). Says this investigation will "cut [Tate] down" for "a while."
@PERPPS_OFFICIAL works for Andrew Tate and, according to him, has access to all of Tate's content. He has an NDA. @MarioNawfal says, "the NDA is the least of your concerns."
@PERPPS_OFFICIAL, who works for Tate, talks about Tate's OnlyFans (potentially just the marketing end?). He said not once has Tate spoken about taking advantage of a woman or talked about using physical or verbal violence. (Glass Onion vibes)
@SameeraKhan is on deck. She says the liberal establishment is after Andrew Tate. She says we should wait for info on what he's being charged with. Or what he's being detained for (we have this info already, so?)
@SameeraKhan says Andrew Tate is a threat to the establishment. @StillGray randomly breaks in to say hi to Sameera. (guess they're pals?)
@GrantCardone says his young daughters think Andrew Tate is a terrible person, but he doesn't know. Says he thinks Tate lied about being a billionaire on @piersmorgan show. Cardone worries about people doing a show like this on him (lol).
@GrantCardone says the online business education world is full of charlatans (can confirm).
@GrantCardone @adamhamdann_ follows the Andrew Tate discussion's pivot into how to best market OnlyFans girls, as they talk about in these courses (presumably as a misogynist asshole taking advantage of women).
Every time @mysteriouskat tries to speak she gets silenced by host due to "mic issues" even though it seems fine enough ...
They are going to try to get @jakepaul in the Andrew Tate discussion to add his important insight.
@jakepaul @MarioNawfal is speaking of someone who runs an OnlyFans "agency" – this person says he "runs 10 girls." They appear to be baffled as to why Andrew Tate would traffic and abuse women. (again, Mario, it's a power thing, not just a money thing. You have a lot to learn about abuse.)
@jakepaul @MarioNawfal @stillgray and others continue to dismiss the idea that anyone would ever have to force OnlyFans girls to perform. (is everyone on the call really this dense? This is maddening)
@fadde follows the man-train of thought on this Spaces of there not being any possibility at all of men forcing women to perform sexual acts for money. He says it's probably more likely a girl got mad about "her cut." (wtffff)
@KimDotcom actually coming in with a good point ... saying Bill Cosby didn't need to force women for money or for any other reason either. But he did. Having money does not rule out Tate. How is Kim the only dude getting this?
@fadde focuses the conversation back on false allegations that he's "seen in his own business." (yes it seems you only surround yourself by stand up guys).
Viva Frei says "find me the man and I'll find you the crime." (ugh) Says Tate has said plenty of things that make him a political enemy. And that we must focus on innocent until proven guilty.
@WallStreetSilv says women make false allegations for money sometimes. That this is a possibility with Andrew Tate. Says, on the other hand, people like Tate flaunt their money and try to build a false persona to build an image to increase their marketing ability.
@WallStreetSilv @MarauderMag offers insight into military debriefs on human trafficking. That it's very well organized like drug trafficking.
@MarioNawfal keeps going back to the false allegation thing. @KimDotcom again a voice of reason, "I don't think we can assume that, Mario."
@stillgray says the left doesn't care about sex abuse (??????)
It took going through several men on the panel for it to be said. @EverGrowSam brings up a power element as to why Andrew Tate may have done this. Mario moves right on past it, seemingly uninterested despite having raised the "it's so weird to do this bc Tate doesn't need money!"
@EverGrowSam brings the convo back to power! Yes! Thank you! (the other men are not engaging with this point)
@StanSpeech starts by saying, "I have a couple of girls who I run." (vomit emoji)
Somehow this bro-Tate discussion turned into an OnlyFans agency running advice session. Incl how men exploit women abroad for many many thousands, paying the girls $500/m (which they are "fine" with). @StanSpeech calls this "the dark side" & does not do this with girls he "runs."
@TomFitton calls @StanSpeech's OnlyFans business a sex trafficking operation. Asks how he verifies the age of the women he "runs."
@kate_ross_ in with an incredible find! (she's good and not part of this panel, follow her). This is the StanSpeech guy
https://twitter.com/kate_ross_/status/1608644431548403712?s=20&t=OGJzmUYH4Nkgps-m6laevg
@LayahHeilpern says she finds "the whole thing" ridiculous. And that Andrew Tate is so successful and has put people out of business and so he has haters. She seemingly supports men running these businesses for women and pocketing their money.
@LayahHeilpern says she "thought men and women were equal" so this must all be consensual with Andrew Tate. She says women should take accountability. That people are crying over nothing!
@EverGrowSam and @KimDotCom the only ones talking sense on Andrew Tate, saying Layah's defending pimping and saying it's insane to dismiss the allegations out of hand. @LayahHeilpern mad. Madly, she says she's not emotional about the situation.
Still madly, @LayahHeilpern says she doesn't support rape. That she can only go off someone's character. The police can be wrong! They don't care about Prince Andrew! (in...Romania) "I'm not a lunatic!" she says.
LOL @LayahHeilpern says Andrew Tate lives in Romania because it's corrupt. When people point out the obvious ... well, why would he care about that if he's done nothing wrong...she pivots to taxes. Which... still not great ...
@minoad2 points out Andrew Tate has said he used the "loverboy" tactic to get women to think he's in love with them. And he's been arrested multiple times. @KimDotcom points out one of the charges is pimping.
@LayahHeilpern says Andrew Tate is "definitely not a pedophile."
@LayahHeilpern says it would be "more interesting" to know "where these women's fathers are" than (implied) to know if Andrew Tate trafficked and abused them. 🤯
@LayahHeilpern @MarioNawfal starts saying he knows someone who does the "loverboy" strategy...a "really nice guy" ... then catches himself and backtracks. Bc they are in love. Clearly.
@MarioNawfal says this is what Andrew Tate teaches - to trick and coerce women into doing OnlyFans/Cam, essentially. (they are so close to the point).
@stanspeech, upset that @TomFitton called what he does with the girls he "runs" on OnlyFans trafficking, comes back and says he changes the lives of these women, pulling them out of poverty. (by being their pimp and pocketing their money. ok).
@stanspeech says the split of the OnlyFans women he "runs" is 50/50. @KimDotcom says that's crazy and asks how it's justified. StanSpeech says because the girls only "sit" for "30 minutes" and he does all the rest of the hard work!
Someone brings up this Aug. quote from The Guardian "[Andrew Tate in a video] suggested [he moved to Romania] because it would be easier to evade rape charges. [Saying,] 'This is 'probably 40% of the reason'" theguardian.com/technology/202… 
@MarioNawfal says that allegations have been made before so who knows. @StillGray says we should wait and be patient. @WallStreetSilv is skeptical that everything is as it seems. Bc the media is on board with "inflammatory words." (um, there's a charging doc that's specific)
Viva Frei says "some people talk too much" and "think they are immune from consequences." That there isn't a way to keep clean in dirty industries. "Keep your schmekel in your pants!"
@MarioNawfal reads from an article/interview with the mother of one of the girls, which paints a harrowing story of escape from Andrew Tate and his brother. (I'll find and post this article after, it's in Romanian)
@KimDotCom speaks on when he himself got raided and the media lied that he had a sawed-off shotgun. He wasn't allowed to defend himself. He says we need to take everything w/ Tate w/ a grain of salt, but it's high profile & they wouldn't have made the arrest if no evidence.
@mike_y1188 says he knows OnlyFans girls and they want men to show them/tell them what to do (lol). "A lot of girls are dramatic in this industry. If they're selling their dignity online, they only care about money." (wtfffff)
@MarioNawfal redirects to the loverboy strategy. @KimDotcom says it becomes difficult to say the girls knew what they were doing and there was no coercion - "a challenge for the Tates to deal with."
@StefanLoredan, a newly minted Romanian lawyer, says there is a lot of abuse of Romanian women, generally. Says they must have a lot of evidence and they will probably hold Andrew Tate for 30-60 days.
Romanian lawyer @StefanLoredan says Andrew Tate is likely facing 15-20 years. He answers a question about bail from Kim by saying Romania is a really corrupt country and "you can buy anybody."
@StefanLoredan says the Andrew Tate trial can go on for 5-10 years. And the charges can get dropped if things are dragged out for a long time.
@KimDotCom asks repeatedly about the possibilities of bail for Andrew Tate. Romanian lawyer @StefanLoredan does not believe it will be likely he'd get bail because of his alleged multiple passports and risk of flight.
@StefanLoredan says they wouldn't have been able to arrest Andrew Tate without approval from the judge. @KimDotCom asks if there is a public database where we can know who the judge is. Didn't hear full answer but it posts later, from my understanding.
@EverGrowSam points out gun laws – that there were two in the Andrew Tate video. And you aren't allowed to have those in Romania. Someone brings up possibility of a license – a little confusion on what could be allowed in such a case.
@StefanLoredan says there are groups in Romania, gangs, that force kids to beg for money and do other unsavory things, and seemingly the Tates are along this beat.
Eliza Bleu is up now. She says she's been serving one of the survivors in this case as their survivor advocate as of the summer of this year. Therefore, she can't go into much detail about this case. She believes in due process and supports survivors as well.
Mario asks Eliza Bleu if she's familiar w/ the loverboy strategy. She says she was a victim of it, and that it's very common. It's an inauthentic relationship with the purpose of exploiting them for labor or for sex. "This is one of the top ways we see with sexual exploitation."
@EverGrowSam asks Eliza Bleu to answer her thoughts on why Andrew Tate would do this if he didn't need money. She affirms his thoughts that it's about power. Says it's a high liability to traffic people - you have to keep them alive & keep it going. It's about power.
Mario asks if there's a dark side to OnlyFans. Eliza says there is sexual exploitation on every platform, that this is why she was so "crazy" on Twitter for so long. "I could have chosen any platform to work on." She says yes, there is exploitation on OnlyFans.
(this reminds me of Amaranth's situation wrt exploitation)
Syrian Girl is up now. She says a focus needs to be on the victims. That those giving the benefit of the doubt to Tate need to dig more deeply, even if Tate says things you like. She speaks to the loverboy strategy and how common it is.
@Partisangirl says they've admitted to stealing women's passports. There's an account called "crab crawler" (?) that's documented a lot of what's gone on. She points out that people will be suspicious of people who come out against Tate...but he comes out & says a lot of things.
@Partisangirl points out that Tate admitted to leaving the UK to avoid charges. That they went after an American and unfortunately that's why they are in trouble now.
There's discussion with Syrian Girl about a video of Andrew Tate beating (pretend or not) a woman. There's confusion if the woman consented or not. @Partisangirl says there are things she knows that she can't say.
Eliza warns them to not tweet the Andrew Tate belt beating video because it could impact their Twitter accounts. Someone watching it during the Space says, "this is so fucked up."
@Partisangirl says "if it walks like a duck..." and "more will come out...it will be exposed" with regards to Andrew Tate.
@MarioNawfal watches the Andrew Tate belt-beating video and seems disgusted. He doesn't get how Tate became so popular. "This is just beating a woman with a belt and slapping her."
@EverGrowSam says things like the Andrew Tate belt-beating video have been normalized ... and that we had a president who said he grabbed women by the pussy and no one cared.
Someone says people are posting on here that Andrew Tate had his house in Romania registered as a firing range, explaining the guns, which would otherwise be illegal.
Ugh - an L for @KimDotCom who shames @chaurneverdies for her profile pic (thumbs down, Kim).
@chaurneverdies points out that while some are pointing out that some of the alleged crimes happened 8 years ago, crimes don't just disappear! There are 6 women making allegations. Receiving money off the backs of women like this means he's a pimp.
Romanian lawyer @StefanLoredan says Romanian prison conditions are some of the worst in the world. But that it's easy to bribe people to get better conditions if you're rich! So.
@chaurneverdies points out the loverboy term is regional. Eliza agrees and says it would fall under coercion.
@MarioNawfal has received a message from someone stating that Andrew Tate's sister is a prominent lawyer.
@MarioNawfal is baffled as to why the abuse is being filmed. Says when he watched Andrew Tate's interviews he thought it was weird he got so much hate. But now that he's actually looking into Tate and the abuse ON VIDEO, he is horrified. (ding ding)
@alx adds his "shock" after having met Andrew Tate in person. Saying the abuse videos are a "different side" to Tate. He now has more questions regarding things he dismissed or didn't look into before.
Eliza reminds the Space that abusers hide in plain sight. Ghislaine Maxwell was on an anti-trafficking charity. (It really seems like some of these folks have ever thought or had to think about things like this - people don't walk around with ABUSER on their forehead)
Discussion turns to consent of being beaten and kinks. @Partisangirl reminds everyone charges also include rape, not only trafficking.
Receipts on loverboy technique from @Partisangirl
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1608623819585114115?s=20&t=OGJzmUYH4Nkgps-m6laevg
CW potential abuse
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1608668534225391618?s=20&t=OGJzmUYH4Nkgps-m6laevg
CW potential kidnapping
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1608671307700502530?s=20&t=OGJzmUYH4Nkgps-m6laevg
@NicoleArbour has appeared and reminds everyone that abusive people aren't abusive with everyone. Says people aren't paying attention to the language Andrew Tate uses in his own videos. eg. "I'm going to imprint them." Arbour says that's groomer language.
@MarioNawfal is offering to fund Romanian lawyer @StefanLoredan to find more information on the case against Andrew Tate.
@KimDotCom reminds people who signed up for Andrew Tate's Hustler University to cancel their subs as they "won't be getting service" for a while lol
@sarahaustin speculates on how many layers there are to the onion with regard to alleged sex trafficking by Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate. (how many are above him?)
@KimDotcom speculates that Andrew Tate is one of the first victims of climate change due to the epic Greta tweet lmao.
https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1608056944501178368?s=20&t=OGJzmUYH4Nkgps-m6laevg
@MarioNawfal reminds the Space that there is an Andrew Tate accuser who is UNDERAGE. That is not getting enough attention.
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