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🇷🇺🇺🇦🧵 The BIG Ukraine / Russia mainstream media narrative switch thread. (MMS)
🇷🇺🇺🇦🧵 In this thread I want to show how the mainstream media told a different story before February 2022 when it came to Ukraine.
And they ALL TOGETHER made a radical anti Russian turn after February 2023 as we know
Videos and articles in no particular order.
Running thread.
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🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 Back in 2014 Georg Restle's comment before WDR evening news.
"The Ukrainian Armed Forces terrorize civilians, it takes no account of the plight of the people, Europe cannot tolerate this and must put an end to this, otherwise Europe is complicit"

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🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 In 2014 German public-service television broadcaster ZDF:
"Fragile ceasefire agreements, because there is permanent power struggle on both sides"
Poroschenko: "Ukraine must be supported by NATO, and i will most likely get enough sorry support"

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🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 In February 2014, German Tagesthemen:
"Ukraine is already a divided country"
"Crimea which has always been Russian..."
"A Ukrainian nationality doesn't exist, we're all Russians..."
"We hope Russia doesn't remain passive if war breaks out here"
odysee.com/@BacktoBasics:…
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🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 March 2014 ARD (Germany's regional public-service broadcaster) report focused on the Maidan and the role of the nationalist Svoboda party and the fact that Stephan Bandera, a famous Nazi calloborator still is a hero to many in Ukraine.
Source:

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🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵Excerpts German ARD Monitor - NATO as warmonger in Ukraine.
German General Naumann already described in 2008 what new strategies the West could pursue?
And suggested to use NATO as an instrument of energy security.
Source:

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🇺🇦🇳🇱🧵 A battalion of Ukrainian far-right nationalists is committing war crimes in eastern Ukraine. This is the conclusion of a report by Amnesty International. The Aidar Battalion mistreats people and even carries out executions.
Source (Dutch): ad.nl/buitenland/aid…
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🇺🇦🇬🇧🧵 Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT 2014
BBC Newsnight's Gabriel Gatehouse investigates the links between the new Ukrainian government and Neo-nazis.

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🇺🇦🇬🇧🧵 Ukraine: On patrol with far-right National Militia - BBC Newsnight 2018
Ukraine's National Militia says it "polices" the streets. So why does it also fight the police themselves? Jonah Fisher reports on increasing visibility of far-right groups.

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🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 German ARD Panorama on Stephan Bandera 08-05-2014.
Stephan Bandera who fought for Ukrainian independence, and still is a big hero to many Ukrainians, also was a collaborator to Hitler and responsible for the death of many Jews and Poles
Source:
odysee.com/@BacktoBasics:…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇳🇱🧵 Example how mainstream media (Dutch #nosjournaal) manipulate and shape their stories to influence public opinion (2017).
They edited the video so it looks like and report that Putin didn't want to answer the journalists questions.
Full video:

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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 The Guardian: With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, Ukraine is being torn apart by fascists unleashed by the US and the EU. We in the west are now backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🧵BBC News: Thousands of supporters of far-right Ukrainian party Svoboda have held a march through the centre of the Kiev. The protesters were marking the 105th anniversary of the birth of controversial WW2 Ukr. nationalist leader. Stephan Bandera

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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 The Hill 11/09/2017:
"Some Western observers claim that there are no neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, chalking the assertion up to propaganda from Moscow. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken."
thehill.com/opinion/intern…
/14
🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 The Guardian 30/04/2014:
"The reality is, after 2 decades eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine into it's orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement."
theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 The Guardian in March 2014: ".....But Washington, with a record of flagrantly breaching international law over Iraq, Afghanistan, drones, extraordinary rendition and torture, might be hypocritical when denouncing potential Russian breaches of law."
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 The Guardian bank in August 2014: "Ukrainian officials have adamantly denied that government forces were shelling populated areas, but witness testimony has pointed to the contrary."
theguardian.com/world/2014/aug…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🧵 "What is missing, is a minimum of objectivity. The media are more than ever a propaganda machine for the State Department. Missing is the important role of neo-Nazi elements in the Kiev government and Forces in their war against East Ukraine."
rabble.ca/politics/world…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 German WDR 02/01/2015:
"It's as if you've set yourself up comfortably in the spectator stands, as if you're watching a soccer game where you keep your fingers crossed for your team and only want to protest when the opponent plays a foul.
tagesschau.de/multimedia/vid…
/20
I will add more when I stumble across.
If anyone has pre 2022 MSM footage or articles coveraging both sides please let me know and I will add them to the thread.
Normal speed video in the Odysee link 😉
🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 Misery in Ukraine as deadly conflict drives civilians from homes.
Alexander Omelyavenko, a Donetsk resident: “We are Ukrainian but they kill us, so we probably need our own country. Because these people in Kiev, they are not brothers for us.”
cnn.com/2014/09/02/wor…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict.
But Ukrainian officials and many in the media err to the other extreme. They claim that Ukrainian politics are completely fascist-free. This, too, is plain wrong.
bbc.com/news/world-eur…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵Politico sept 2015 : Ukraine’s far-right menace.
"A bloody divorce between the Ukrainian government and the country’s ultranationalist groups could be in the offing."
politico.eu/article/ukrain…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇬🇧🧵 How far-right took top posts in Ukraine’s power vacuum.
"In the new Ukrainian government politicians linked to the far-right have taken posts from deputy prime minister to head of defence. We profile the nationalists filling the power vacuum"
channel4.com/news/svoboda-m…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 "According to FBI, several American white supremacists were allegedly radicalized by and received training from Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which receives funding from the current government of Ukraine as well as the U.S. government.
theindependent.io/communityindep…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵Reuters 2018: "As Ukraine’s struggle against Russia continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas"
reuters.com/article/us-coh…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇫🇷🧵France24 2014: Kiev’s far-right groups refuse to disarm.
"There are genuine concerns over the behaviour of some of the self-defence groups on the far-right who took part in the "Maidan" protests against now deposed president Viktor Yanukovich"
france24.com/en/20140403-vi…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇮🇱🧵 Times of Israel 2018:
"Hundreds of people in the Ukrainian city of Lviv attended a nationalist march featuring Nazi symbols that commemorated a Waffen SS unit with many local volunteers."
timesofisrael.com/nazi-symbols-s…
28/ twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 Atlantic Councel 2018:
"Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far-Right Violence"
Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects”
atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainea…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 Buzzfeednews 2020:
Despite attempts to ban it on Facebook, a violent Ukrainian far-right group with ties to American white supremacists is using FB to recruit new members, organize violence, and spread its far-right ideology across the world
buzzfeednews.com/article/christ…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇩🇪🧵 DW (Deutsche Welle) 2018:
A new slogan "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" adopted by the UAF has drawn criticism for its links to WW2-era nationalist groups. The decision sparked a debate about how the country should address its history.
dw.com/en/new-glory-t…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇳🇱🧵 Dutch newspaper "De Limburger":
Just 1 day! before Russia's "unprovoked" invasion, the newspaper reports that Donetsk and Lugansk asked Putin for help countering the aggression of the Ukrainian army.
So it wasn't that unprovoked after all.
limburger.nl/cnt/dmf2022022…
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🇺🇦🧵 Forward 2018: A wave of anti-Semitism has swept over Ukraine. A far-right leader called for cleansing Ukraine of zhidi; a Holocaust memorial in Ternopil was bombed; hundreds marched through Lviv, in honor of an SS unit, complete with Nazi salutes
forward.com/opinion/401518…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🧵 The Guardian 2015:
"Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe.
While the conflict with Russia heats up in the east, life for most Ukrainians is marred by corruption so endemic that even hospitals appear to be infected."
theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/…
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🇷🇺🇺🇦🧵 In this thread I'm going to take a look at specific events that lead up to the Russian special military operation and we're also going to look at wether this special military operation could have been avoided.
1) 🇷🇺🇺🇦🧵 NATO expansion

NATO has undergone nine rounds of enlargement since its establishment in 1949, increasing its membership from 12 to 31 countries. Despite the promise the West gave in 1990 after the Russians voluntarily decided to give back the occupied GDR to Germany so Germany could reunite.
They promised not expand NATO "even one inch" to the East.

I know many argue that this promise was not written on paper and some even claim that it therefore was never agreed. However there is actual footage were German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher back in February 6, 1990 who said: "We agreed that there is no intention to expand the NATO defense area to the east. Incidentally, this applies not only with regard to the GDR, which we do not want to incorporate, but in general."

And whether it was written on paper is not relevant in my opinion. If I ask you to borrow me money and I promise to pay it back but decide not to that's not the way to treat each other. In this case especially since the Russians voluntarily and without any bloodshed returned the GDR.

To Russia this NATO expansion has always been seen as a threat. A threat because Russia knows that once a country has become a NATO member that de facto Nato decides whether there are going to be military bases or missiles, that's no longer for the member to decide. And Russia simply doesn't want missiles near it's border that could hit Moscow within 5 to 10 minutes. The reaction time for Russia would be too short. I think that's a legitimate reason for concern.
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Just an analogy, a known and convicted pedophile wants to rent a house right beside a kindergarten.
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I think so, and the same goes for Russia's security concerns.

Many often argue that every country can decide for itself if it wants to become a member of NATO.
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Conclusion: a promise is a promise and needs to be kept, or at least discussed when is decided that the promise is going to be broken and why.
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