Thread by @glitchedpuppet

Hey, I was informed about a post Rina/Pinnapop made yesterday accusing me of...trying to ... "Traffic" them in 2020.

Sorry, but this is bullshit. I offered a space to stay to them when their abusive mother locked them in the snow in their pajamas and told them to move out.

I have a lot more things to say and go into here. I don't really have time to do a deep dive right now because I just ran an event and compiling ALL of rina's context would take me more time than I have right now. I do care about context though, unlike Rina.

I'll try to be kind in my reply, but I admit, I don't have kind feelings for the blatant lying right now. I don't know how they can do this in front of so many people who were present and still literally have access to the logs of what happened, but it is what it is I guess.

I really, really wish Rina would actually acknowledge the impact that Rina's partner Rey has had on the situation. Rina left Flora after I removed Rey for being a sexual predator with intentions to hurt animals and children. I couldn't be around it and said as much. Rina left.

Rina was not cut out. In fact, I would have loved to have tried to understand and work out why the fuck Rina was trying to draft plans to help Rey, who had just admitted to taking actions to hurt children, in front of Rina and me and my mods. Not a mention of this by Rina.

I'll be writing a longer document soon and compiling at least some logs. I don't really have time to go into all of this, but this is without a doubt some of the most fanciful bullshit I have ever seen in my life. Rina, literally what the fuck?

If you want to talk about it, you'll need to do it soon. I don't think you'll like the logs I'm going to be looking for. Please email me if you'd like to resolve this privately. Otherwise, I will be defending myself from your lies.

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I'm going to include just a few logs in attachment to show just a hint of where I'm coming from.

Here I was asking how Rina felt about me, Iz, and Caddi helping to organize Rina leaving after their mom told them to move out & locked them out in the snow in pajamas.

It is complete bullshit that you are acting like you never wanted to leave. I ONLY tried to help because I thought your life was in danger and that you WANTED to come. The moment it became clear you didn't actually want to come I dropped it.

I valued your agency when you didn't.

Texts wherein I was trying to assert to Rina that Rina's mom saying "I'll kill myself if you leave" was manipulation/control on part of Rina's mother. I don't understand why they leave this out of the narrative. I felt huge heartache over how deeply they were being manipulated.

I had STRONG, STRONG feelings about "please, let us help you get away from this" because both my mom AND my ex husband Marl had used suicide baiting and it had fucked me up severely. I was HORRIFIED for Rina. I desperately wanted them to be in a place to make choices for themself

When they didn't leave the first time, we tried again to help 6 months later, because they expressed wanting to do school first. So I waited 6 months and tried again to help them leave more on their mom's terms. I thought that actually setting up a company & contract would help.

They talked about their mom caring about things being Official, so I went that route. I drew up a contract for salary work and estimated I could pay them 750 for a week of work every month, leaving them 3 weeks to do commissions or whatever else they wanted, with free rent.

I had said they could start paying rent after 6 months if they still wanted to stay with me. I mostly desperately wanted them to have a place where they weren't being physically abused and sexually assaulted. My heart was BREAKING for them and I couldn't stand not trying to help.

It makes me deeply upset that they have COMPLETELY stripped this from their narrative. Every action I took was rooted in trying to figure out how to help them regain agency in their life. They spent MONTHS AND MONTHS talking about how abused they were, ALL THE TIME.

It hurts now because I realize: that's all they do. They are forever abused. None of their choices are their own, always everyone else's fault when they regret something. This is so painful. I wish they would take literally any responsibility for anything they said. At all.

I wish they had just told me they wanted to stay with their abusive mother. I wish they had just told me they didn't want to leave, sooner. I would've loved to have not wasted my time drawing up a contract I thought would help them, mostly as a formality for their abusive mother.

I just do not accept the narrative they're putting out. I know the truth. Dozens of others do too. I'll root through logs over time.

Rina, stop blaming me for your regrets. It's fine if you felt pressure you didn't know how to word, but I REALLY tried to care about your agency.

The way your mom treats you is fucked up. I reread texts where her boyfriend sexually assaulted you and her not caring. I read her grabbing at your face. Your sister forcing you into a room. Your sister's bf getting physical with Iz. Stop ignoring this.

Stop ignoring the pain around you. Stop blaming people who genuinely felt pain when you were hurt and care for you being able to make your own choices. Stop shutting out anything that doesn't support an eternal-victim narrative. This is my advice. It doesn't end well or hold up.

Anyway, here's the start of the "Human Trafficking Saga, aka the Time Rina Got Kicked Out And Told Us About It And Apparently We Weren't Supposed To Do Anything Or Care". You know.

Rina, what happened to all of this? Why did you forget all of this? Why did you forget you said you were kicked out and not safe in either parent's house? Were you lying? Why did you tell us if you didn't want help? Why did you tell us at all?

Why did you omit that Caddi, who helped you make this zine, was one of the people who offered to help? I didn't ask Caddi. She OFFERED. Voluntarily. Right here. These are the literal next logs. Why did you paint the two people coming to your house as scary when Caddi is one?

I'm sorry but this feels insane to look back on. I'm really sorry if you got hurt by... us trying to help you not be homeless and unsafe. But I wish you had just not said anything about this around us at all, then, Rina. I regret trying to help you. I'm glad you didn't come here.

I'm just tired of this. I don't believe Iz is a predator. I believe your partner Rey is a predator. Maybe they've gone to therapy to change. But I really dislike how Iz has not gone after kids and animals like Reynart has, and you have nothing to say about Rey at all, Rina.

I firmly do not believe Iz is a threat to minors in my community. Iz works hard in therapy on their issues and tries hard to be open after their past where they struggled to. Rey lied to my fucking face about beast and minor stuff after WATCHING WHAT MARL DID TO THE COMMUNITY.

I don't know how you can be this dishonest about this. The framing of everything is so disingenuous. I wish you would acknowledge a single thing. A single thing. I wish you'd acknowledge that Rey really fucked Iz and Crona up, and probably you too. It hurts so bad dude.

Alright, time for today's addition to this thread.

I've typed up a lot of my current feelings regarding Rina. It's 11 pages or so.

docs.google.com/document/d/1Pj…

I've tried my best to be accurate to my understanding, here. I feel deeply saddened and hurt by them.

Time for the NEXT addition to this thread: a long ass conversation early last year where I spent several hours talking to Rina and caring deeply about Rina's feelings and agency. 74 pages of text and logs. I've included screenshots of important pages here

docs.google.com/document/d/1gL…

I've now heard that something about "tangerine smashing" was relayed as rape in the zine??? I never used that word or described it that way at all. I felt forced into discomfort in voice.

Here's what I DID write in full, and I've pasted the bit about that
docs.google.com/document/d/1kZ…

I don't really know why it's being relayed as a "tangerine" that you forced on me to imagine. I remember it specifically as something gross. I wish you would stop forcing others into discomfort. I wish you actually cared about others' discomfort at all, Caddi. It hurts.

I found this today while looking for more Rina logs on the situation. This one made me particularly upset. I don't really understand how to feel Rina was doing anything other than lying to me, either before or now. This was some days after trying to help them leave abuse.

Realized I should include the whole conversation ending

Hey! So I heard Rina.. still can't acknowledge anything publicly about their (former/current?) partner Rey grooming people into beast or trying to engage real life children. And then called me a pedophile instead.

So I've decided to post Rey's admission.

docs.google.com/document/d/1jV…

I'll probably get around to posting more later, but this is honestly tiring. Please stop misdirecting your issues with Rey, who groomed people into beast/underage, onto me and Iz, Rina. Seriously. Please take a moment to actually acknowledge how you're hurting others.

Pengo and I spent a lot of time laying out why the beast/pedo stuff was harmful and needed to stop, when we confronted Rey. This was AFTER I told Rina that Rey was doing it and lying to Rina, at all. I tried to help Rina by telling them this and they spat in my face.

Please take a look at yourself, Rina. I actively sought to stop bestiality and pedophilia from being allowed to exist anywhere near me, but you embrace being around Rey. I wish you cared and would stop trying to hurt me and Iz for your own shame in how you and Rey handled this.