If there's one lesson you can take from this thread, and every back-and-forth between people fighting over who gets to dictate what books are in public K12 libraries, it's that taxpayer-funded education is immoral from the outset. Read on to find out why...1/
1/If you claim it's moral to take money from people at the business end of a gun (try not paying your taxes), how do you justify telling the people you've taken it from they have ZERO say in how it's spent? Especially on the education if THEIR CHILDREN?
2/And before you get all cute and say this is why School Choice ™️ is great, remember nothing has changed except who gets to decide where the stolen funds go. The power to define "education" and to regulate who MAY get those funds, even from YOU, stays with the same govt!
3/So if your yammering in about "book bans," where do you get off spending other people's money to expose their kids to porn? Even if we give you your argument that @Moms4Liberty have "no right" to demand porn be removed, guess what? You equally have "no right" to put it IN.
4/Either y'all have the same right to have say in what's there, or rights don't exist, only bully's privileges. Same with discipline. Either parents have a right to demand their kids and other people's kids be held to high standards of behavior, or they don't, and who decides?
5/One side says "My child will be harmed!" But the other side says the same. How do you decide who's "right" to decide how their kids are educated, or more accurately, "parented" by the state, takes precedent?
You can't, that's not how rights work.
6/Do we really want to expand the abortion argument to everything? That is to day, the "conflicting rights" argument? I sure as hell don't! There's no winner. The parents who want their kids to have access to porn etc? Much as I despise them, personally and morally,
7/that is their right. These are their kids, and unless we want to become authoritarians who dictate what kids as old as 17 may see, at the tip of a gun, it's not up to us. The ONLY reason it is is that it's our money too, and our kids too.
8/Likewise, it's my right to protect my kids from the abysmal influences and morally bankrupt influences so popular in today's regressive "woke" public schools. It's my right as a parent, AND as a taxpayer. But how are you gonna reconcile my rights, with theirs in this set up?
9/Answer: you can't. You don't get to steal from me, and deny me a say. You don't get to steal from them, and deny them a say, and the immorality was always there, it just didn't seem obvious when the disputes weren't SO polarized. We as a culture used to agree, so
10/we didn't have to grapple with the hypocrisy of calling ourselves a "free" country while coercing money to the tune of $1T out of everyone, the childless included, and compelling attendance by children whose parents couldn't make other arrangements into state schools.
11/The clock was always ticking, we were always gonna end up here. There was never a scenario where we could let people vote themselves money out of other people's wallets, with which to buy the gov't (and worldview) of their choosing, where gov't run education wasn't going to
12/be a game of political football, and our kids the unwilling, unwitting players in the game.
So next time you're in one of these debates, take it all the way back to first principles. Don't nip around the edges of the problem, bickering about who has MORE right to parent
13/or MORE say, or the better intentions or point. It's IRRELEVANT. Right or wrong, by anyone's estimation, if they're not literally forcing their kids to read porn, or denying them age appropriate mental healthcare (that means nothing permanent)
14/parents have broad rights to suck at parenting. Anything less WILL back up on good parents, as we see now, and the ONLY way to respect those rights, and preserve and protect them in perpetuity, is to #defund government education. If you're not willing to do that,
15/I demand these books be put in every HS library in America, immediately. /END
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"Harm" is a bullshit concept if your standard for measurement is a single outcome, especially measured against the race of those with that single outcome.
- Now do learning loss
- Now do anxiety, fear, frustration
and helplessness
- Now do teacher attrition 1/
2/"Harm" comes in many forms. Detention, suspension, expulsion and jail are just the ones you can easily see, but they also apply to a minority within a minority! Is anyone the least bit curious about how the OTHER kids are doing, "especially the black ones?"
3/Has anyone bothered to look at literacy rates even amongst the well behaved of all races? How about math and science? Mental health? Confusion and self harm perhaps?
Let's examine the underlying premises here, shall we?
* That black kids (no I won't capitalize "black") break rules more than white kids. Weird thing to assume, seems kinda racist to me, but even if it's true...1/
2/he's assuming
* that black kids aren't "harmed" by lack of consequences when they break rules, rules that were put in place for the benefit of all students and teachers, including the "black" ones.
* That "harm" isn't being done to black kids who do NOT break the rules, either
3/directly by those who are breaking rules (assault, bullying), or indirectly (distraction, loss of learning time because of classroom disruption, increase in negative assumptions about their behavior, or that their grades--if good--are unearned).
2/Like any other parental rights advocate, I want parents to choose how their kids are educated, but if a state is going to keep taking tax $ for education from them, and then "give" some back to pay for education,
3/I don't want the state or federal govt using that "grant" or voucher as an excuse to tell private schools, and homeschooling parents what they must teach, and/or how they must teach it. That's precisely what parents are trying to escape!
I hate that the choice seems to be schools run with rigid discipline, in order to preserve order, because no one can learn in chaos (#fact) OR mollycoddling and enabling bad behavior as children growing up in chaos rebel against arbitrary hierarchies and timelines. 1/
2/Yes of course the former is preferable to the latter, and a percentage of students will thrive in such an environment, and one can maintain discipline and order without eliminating caring, compassion and even excellence in teaching. But...
3/those who ask "what about the percentage who can't thrive there?" have a point. That percentage grows every year irrespective of what's taught in schools. John Taylor Gatto railed less about ideology than he did about structure and hierarchy, timeline and incentives...
There is no grief like mourning someone who is still alive, but so changed it's as though they murdered the loved one they were, and you can't forgive them, while at the same time you're wishing and hoping they wake up and come back, because theoretically, they could.1/
2/If you're a parent dealing with this kind of loss of a child, you are not alone, and that's the tragedy of it: there are FAR too many parents dealing with this for whom the new year stretches out ahead not with the promise of new beginning, but more days of forced distraction.
3/People tell you to forgive, let go, move on, find comfort in memories, but memories offer no comfort. They're reminders of the little girl or boy who doesn't exist anymore, because the person occupying their body killed them, mercilessly, and with malice, and worst of all
This is gonna sound strange, but good. I'm serious. There's increasingly little difference between the schools except their location, and price. 1/ nypost.com/2022/12/31/in-…
2/I personally think college for MOST is a colossal waste of time and money (yes, for my own child who's there included, but o couldn't talk her out of it, and i am proud of her for doing her best and paying her own way, and not choosing by name at least. Time will tell, but
3/I genuinely believe making four-year college the automatic "next-step" for America's kids is asinine, so I am actually glad businesses are starting this trend of not wanting the name of the school, and their reasoning isn't that irrational!