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Apr 3, 2023 12 tweets 4 min read Read on X
This is a neat paper: men and women designed the most and least attractive bodies, kind of like character creation in a video game.

What men and women designed as the ideal body was pretty different. 🧵
"Males focus on prominent masculine and feminine traits, while women focus on traits that make both male and female bodies more elongated and slender."
Men made the attractive male avatars more muscular than women did:
"Attractive body parts were distributed normally with the peak shifted to moderately supernormal sizes, while unattractive body parts have mostly U-shaped or skewed distributions with extremes in super-supernormal and/or subnormal sizes."
"Moderately supernormal size" - what does that mean? A little bit bigger in these proportions:
"Interestingly, our participants generated avatars whose SHR is almost identical to the measures obtained on male and female fashion models."
"Attractive male and female avatars also have proportionally longer legs."
Meanwhile, short legs: the least attractive bodypart.
The most attractive waist to hip ratio for women was within the normal range.

Combined with a high shoulder to hip ratio, this is basically a "sporty" female physique. Fitness model or athletic look.
However, these were not "masculinized" female physiques and usually also were characterized by some other supernormal female trait, like large breasts or buttocks.
Summed up, men have a stronger preferences for masculinity in male bodies and femininity in female bodies than women do.
These results are similar to the Gigachad facial ratings. Men found him very attractive, women not so much on average.

Men tend to think extreme dimorphism in other men is more attractive than women do.

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Nov 25
There is something sinister about expressed resentment and dislike of “normies.” Real antisocial vibes. Even more so than the “anti-Karen” discourse. With Karens, the debate is over if an enforcement boundary is overstepped. Maybe a real debate can be had in some of those cases.

With resentment toward normies, it’s simply a dislike of actual normal people. Yet normal people are the backbone of society. A lot of the time it looks like the useless fringe complaining about the people who actually make things function.

Hating the normal has always been a trait of losers and outcasts. It’s an immediate red flag. It’s general negative emotionality and also specific hostility toward both the mundane and the wholesome.

It’s the mindset of the unpopular kids in high school who couldn’t play sports or make it into clique groups and so, resenting their peers, experiment with every bizarre ideology and identity that the less popular adolescents do.

Delinquents think this way, they also hate the normal and society around them, but delinquents aren’t even at the bottom of this youth hierarchy. The ones at the very bottom don’t get into gangs or really edgy youth subcultures. They get into sneaky and covert ways of lashing out. Maybe they adopt a victim mentality and embrace some kind of social justice ideology where the normies (see: normal society) are oppressive. They fantasize about social collapse or revolution as their anti-normie revenge. Maybe they just become online trolls. The Internet gives them a way to lash out without any possibility of repercussions (and indeed the modern use of “normie” arose from these kinds of communities).

There is a sort of narcissism in the “anti-normie.” They feel superior, but it’s the very fragile superiority of the narcissist who isn’t recognized as superior by anyone else. They don’t get their narcissistic supply from the world around them very often. They feel very smart - their beliefs and hobbies are so much better than the normies, too! Of course anime is better than Friends. Why yes, your fringe political beliefs would totally make society better than that thing everyone else voted for. The normies don’t see the secret truths in all of the conspiracy theories that they believe; normies are very dumb but the anti-normie is very wise.

They have never had their IQ tested, but they are very certain they could not possibly be “midwits,” even if every life milestone they have experienced is associated with lower or average intelligence. If a psychologist looked at them and said “mental illness” the psychologist would just be dismissed as a normie psychologist.

They are misfits and will relate to the aesthetics of cultures and times not their own, because they don’t thrive in the here and now. This is the “men looked better in the 1920s, I should buy a fedora” effect. But it also manifests in social desires: “we should live like we did in the 1920s because I would thrive more in that environment and culture than I do now.”

They will relate to past misfits, too, and make them their heroes. This is also a narcissistic fantasy. “Actually Napoleon wasn’t a normie, see how smart the non-normies are, just like me.” In reality the normies, however, aren’t even exclusively average people. They are also the typical overachievers. When I looked at the lives of the recent Nobel Prize winners, they were every bit as normie as you might imagine. Wife, kids, house, and dogs.

And that’s the general rule for the normie: the normie is the functional and productive member of society. The further one drifts from the normie, the less likely they are to thrive. This is what fuels resentment of the normie. They see the wife, kids, dog, career, and lifestyle of the normie and think, “I want that, but I don’t have that.”
Who is the normie? To this person, “heteronormative male college kids.” Image
Teenager posting about his parents on the nihilism subreddit, of course, hates normies: Image
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Aug 24
New article and survey results:

The most and least attractive male hobbies to women, out of a list of 74 hobbies.

We also compare how well men predict which hobbies are attractive to women.

First up in a 🧵 most attractive hobbies: Image
The least attractive male hobbies to women: Image
The hobbies that men and women agreed upon the least as being attractive to women: Image
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Aug 9
Just in time for National Orgasm Day, Caitlin and myself have new research up on the orgasm gap and short-term partner traits. Results in this thread. 🧵

First, the orgasm gap:

Men experience more orgasms in casual sex, especially during a first encounter. Image
Women who have an orgasm with a short-term partner are more likely to go on to have sex with them again in the future.

So - that first encounter matters! Image
Why is this? Overlapping hypotheses for the evolution of the female orgasm is its role in mate selection and mate retention.

Orgasm can help you select and retain good mates.

Alternative visualization: Image
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Jul 2
Revisiting beauty standards, many female fashion trends do not make women more attractive to men - and actually make them less attractive.

Men do not demand (or even like) these. In some cases they may appeal to a niche, but tend to impair attractiveness more than enhance it. 🧵 Image
Nope men aren’t demanding that. Lowest on the list:

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Occasionally I read women say, “men do not need to look like a jacked and lean male model to attract a woman, therefore men face no beauty pressures.”

This is true - but also of women. You don’t need lip fillers or a BBL. In fact in many cases these make you less attractive.
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Jul 2
There is a widespread perception that women face stronger pressures to be physically attractive, but it doesn’t seem clear to me that this is the case.

There is pressure to be attractive and how that pressure is experienced. This is where I think you see the differences. 🧵
The bodies that are modeled for men and women as the ideal are as unrealistic (if not more so) for boys as they are for girls.

Big things have been made of Barbie being unrealistic - but she a body that is within a natural and healthy range.

Not so for many boys toys:
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Female models have been called “unrealistic” despite being real people, but what is clear is that they are simply conventionally attractive women who are thin.

Men who are handsome, lean, and also muscular are similarly selected for male advertisements:


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Nov 19, 2023
Fat women are perceived as less attractive and less feminine, and subsequently receive less benevolent sexism. Image
From this paper: Image
Also true for older women and Black women: Image
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