Afternoon thread: Lori Vallow trial

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Melanie Gibb will still be on cross and can I just point out Lindsey Blake who lost a family member has been solid as a rock on direct. Much respect to her!

Back on the record and the jury is being brought back in. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Lori is watching Archibald as he makes notes on his legal pad #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork She occasionally whispers to Mr Thomas. The jury is in. Lori watched them as they filed into their seats making eye contact with a few #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Mr Thomas is back up for cross. We left off talking about dark energy and between February and June Tylee went "dark". In Sept. she was told JJ was possessed #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb says September 19th she was told JJ was dark and possessed by an evil spirit. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork He brings up Charles's shooting and Gibb talked to Lori about that. Lori told Gibb she didn't witness the shooting and Gibb can't remember. Thomas says there was an altercation. Gibb says verbal but she doesn't know if it was physical #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork He says when she was at Lori's in Sept. she didn't see Tylee. Thomas says she really didn't like you and he says you didn't show kindness to her. Gibb says not true. I am kind. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb said when she met Tylee she rolled her eyes and didn't really talk to her. Gibb said at a restaurant she tried to brush Tylee's hair off her shoulder and she didn't like that. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas - you said Lori told you before Charles's death she wouldn't get the life insurance so monetarily she had no incentive for him to die #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb said there was an incentive - Gibb is fumbling right now. She says she doesn't know #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb said Lori knew just prior to Charles being killed the life insurance was changed (Not true) #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Lori told Gibb Chad would lose his exaltations if he divorced. He was going to wait for her to die while having an affair with Lori. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas says you told the state Lori told you to tell the police you had JJ. Gibb says yes. Thomas says the police called you and you didn't answer. How many times? Gibb said 2x. They left messages. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas said you told police you had JJ but not anymore. Gibb says yes. He said that wasn't the truth. Gibb says correct. Gibb was in Utah when police called her. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork She was visiting her boyfriend David Warwick who is NOW her husband. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork So we've heard they weren't together but Melanie Gibb just confirmed they are married currently #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb sent the recording to Officer Pillar with Gilbert PD. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas asked if she and Officer Pillar decided she would record it and she said no. It was her choice. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas says you made the recording so you would have audio proof you didn't have JJ and that was self serving? Gibb said it was multi-serving. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork At one point Gibb tells Lori you would be safe if you hadn't opened dark portals and Lori's salvation was in trouble. Thomas asks about dark portals. Gibb said they talked about creating portals #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork They could communicate through the portal. Lori's was in her closet and she thinks Chad's was on his bed. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas asks Gibb if she had a portal and she says "Oh, no". #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork They talk about Korihor. He was an anti-Christ. Eventually he said he was deceived by Satan. Thomas says so you are referring to Lori as an anti-Christ. Gibb says yes. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas says you mention Joseph Smith and the characters you talk about were from the Book Of Mormon and the Bible? Gibb said all from Book Of Mormon. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas asks Gibb where Lori was when Tammy died and Gibb said she told me Hawaii #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas goes on to light and dark scales and vibrations. What are vibrations? Was that a new concept? Gibb said yes. The way they discussed it was a new meaning. She had heard it used in energy work #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Lori is listening and watching Gibb as she testifies #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas asks about Alex Cox - at some point he 100% bought into the zombie beliefs. Gibb says yes. Thomas asks Alex what happened to JJ and Alex said you don't want to know what happened to JJ. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Alex then said the police were evil and they took his guns. Melaniece said her house was broken into. Alex talked about getting married to Zulema. Chad gave Alex a patriarchal blessing and it was touching and emotional for him #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork They met up with Zulema and talked about what was happening in Rexburg. Gibb said there was a little talk about JJ but they would say they were being chased and the evil was after them #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Melaniece was there when Alex said Gibb didn't want to know what happened to JJ. He skirted the issue. Gibb asked Zulema what that meant and Alex told Zulema they couldn't be found. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Cross is over. Lindsey Blake is up for redirect. Lori is showing Thomas some notes on her notepad. Blake asks about Tylee not liking her. Have you been around other teens that had attitudes? Gibb says yes. #LoriVallow
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@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb said Tylee was onoery and disrespectful. Lori was calm around Tylee and didn't react with Tylee's disrespect. Tylee was sometimes disrespectful to Lori

@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb spent Christmas 2018 with Lori and her family but she isn't sure what day it was. Gibb visited her in Hawaii and Texas. She went to Hawaii to visit her in Feb 2019 #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Lori was in constant contact with Chad while Melanie was there. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb did podcasts with Lori - started out once a week and changed to once a month or so. Lori wasn't on all of them. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork JJ had a service dog. (Bailey) objection (sustained) #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Lori told Gibb she had been on earth before. Sealing generally take place in the temple. Gibb said she sometimes wanted to believe Lori. She was very convincing. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Blake - Tylee was deemed a zombie and Gibb said she was told this when she visited Lori in Texas. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The life insurance switch - could you have learned about this after Charles's death? Gibb says no. Gibb talked to Lori 4 days after Charles was killed. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The phone call - did you have concerns someone would try to falsely accuse you of something? Gibb says yes, Chad and Lori. Gibb also said she wanted to find where JJ was because Lori would know, he was her son. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb says by the time of the phone call she didn't believe Lori and Chad's teachings. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb said it was easier to believe them because the origins of their teachings came from LDS faith. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Zombie to them wasn't like a horror movie. There was a different meaning attached. When Chad and Lori wanted someone gone they became zombies. Gibb noticed people close to her and questioning her became zombies #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The people they wanted GONE were deemed zombies. Blake asks did they deem Charles a zombie - yes. Tammy - I believe so. Tylee - yes. JJ - yes. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Gibb says Alex and Lori were very close, joked a lot, be there for each other. Alex was given the designation as the protector of Lori. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Alex would do what Lori asked. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Lori said she asked Alex to stay the night before Charles was killed. (Objection - sustained). #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The jury is 100% engaged. A lot are writing notes. A lot of a newbie to this case to swallow. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Blake - did we ask you to only tell the truth today? Yes. Blake asks did you? She says yes. No recross. Next witness is detective Duncan #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Melanie Gibb is released from her subponea. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Detective Duncan is up for the state. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He is with the Chandler PD and he is TALL. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He was put in charge of the investigation into Charles's death a year after the shooting. He replaced Detective Nathan Moffat #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He was working the day Charles was shot and killed by Alex Cox. He responded to the scene. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The call came out as a shooting. Alex said on 911 that she shot his brother-in-law. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork They are bringing in the CAD notes for the case. The originating 911 call was 8:36 and dispatched out at 8:37 AM. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The defense objects asking if this is part of the prior bad acts that was previously ruled upon. We go to a sidebar. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Lori is watching her attorneys at sidebar occasionally looking at her notepad. The Vallow family is in plain view of her. She doesn't really look over at them. They do look at her. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Judge Boyce says he is taking a break to chambers to look over something but they can remain in the room. Should be 5 min or less. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Judge Boyce will instruct the jury. It will come in. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Lori is writing on her notepad. The CAD document will come in and Lindsey Blake brings in Apple records dealing with Lori's iCloud account #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

When he arrived on scene he was assigned with assisting Detective Coons to document the crime scene. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The original lead investigator was Nathan Moffat. He was promoted in June 2020 so Detective Duncan was put on as lead detective. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He obtained iCloud and cell phone records in the case. The photos are taken 1st. The crime scene detective will decide what will be collected as evidence. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

He dealt with the body, which is evidence in the case. He called the medical examiner and they took control of the body #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The victim was dead and his name was Charles Vallow. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He saw Charles was laying on his back on a wood planked floor. There were no furniture and mirrors all over the room, which was odd. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork His shirt had been cut away to expose his chest and there was medical equipment on his chest that confirmed death. He saw a gunshot wound on the lower left quadrant of his abdomen. He had blood in the webbing of his left hand #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The one gunshot wound was all they saw at first. There was very little blood which is uncommon. Alex said he shot Charles in self defense. He said he shot him 2x in the chest while standing. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork There were 2 .45 caliber shell casings on the floor and a projectile near his shoulder which was odd. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork These other injuries were found after the medical examiner arrived and inspected the body. In the center of the chest was a defib patch. Under that was a gunshot wound to his chest. They rolled his body and there was a wound to upper L shoulder area #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Alex said 2x in the chest from the front. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork There was no indication Alex performed CPR on Charles. On the 911 call Alex said he gave CPR but based on his observation (objection - under advisement) #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork She asks if he had been to a scene where CPR had been performed. OBJECTION - Judge says she is laying foundation. Blake says would you see more blood if CPR had been done - he says yes. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Objection - speculation. Overruled #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Judge Boyce says Mr Thomas can cross examine. Detective says he didn't think CPR had been performed. As far as the self defense claim - Charles had abrasions on his knees but with no furniture it was hard to tell. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork They also found blood on a faucet in the kitchen. Alex told them he washed his hands. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Charles was in very good shape. As Charles was being removed they saw a tall baseboard on the flooring and saw a projectile stuck inside the baseboard. It was cut out as evidence #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork When the 2nd shot was fired Charles would have been on the ground #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork They brought Alex back in the house after Charles's body was removed to have him show his position when the shots occurred. They cleaned up blood to not give Alex perspective and saw the defect in the floor #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He looked at a phone extraction from Charles's phone and Lori's iCloud account "Lori4Style". They found an additional iCloud "Lollitime". Charles Gmail and iCloud was also looked at #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Lori is looking down. Charles's phone was the catalyst to the argument. Lori took the phone with her in his rental car. It was later returned by Lori to the Chandler PD. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork They viewed emails and texts on his phone. In the weeks and months following his death that he was killed because he was a zombie, there was infidelity (Lori and Chad) #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork We are about to see a powerpoint of a report done by Det. Duncan #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork This powerpoint is from Charles's phone. Thomas objects and asks when the powerpoint was made. He said this one was made over the last couple of days. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork This was turned over today to the state. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas says he has no idea if these texts are what they're reported to be so he objects on foundation. Boyce says he is concerned about the time frame for disclosure. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Blake cites law supporting summaries when evidence is voluminous. These messages are available in discovery #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Thomas says the report is 1500 pages long - Boyce says we will take our break #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Still at break. Lori is alone at the table writing things in her notepad. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Judge Boyce is back on the bench. The parties have agreed to move on with additional questioning and the parties will review this powerpoint overnight and present this tomorrow. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork One document has been stipulated and one document comes from Lori's iCloud and doesn't fall under the 404B rule. Thomas says anything coming from AZ falls under 404B. Judge says they'll pick that up if it gets outside of the scope. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The jury is back in. We have about 30 minutes left for today's testimony. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Det Duncan was contacted about a call placed to Valley Of The Sun mortuary. The call was places by Chad Daybell inquiring about cremation and shipping costs for Charles's remains #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork There was an answering service that got the 1st call and then the mortuary would then talk to the caller. Det. Duncan had heard the name Chad Daybell before this from the investigation. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He said with the murder of Charles they later learned Tylee and JJ hadn't been seen so they were looking for info on them, attempted murders of Tammy and Brandon. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork They're going to play the mortuary call placed by Chad Daybell. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Chad says his name is "Chad Daybal" and he's calling for estimates about his uncle who just died saying he is helping the family with arrangements. They don't want anything but a cremation and sending him to family in Louisiana. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork These jurors are all into this call. They have looks of confusion, shock, some are stoic. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork When asked for the phone number for callback Chad laughs and says he can't remember and asks her to hold on. He comes back and gives the #. Chad said he passed away in a hospital. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Chad says I think they're sending him to the medical examiner. The operator asks him to stay on the line while they transfer him. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He is transferred to the mortuary. Chad tells the story again of how he's a nephew helping with arrangements. He said Charles didn't have many relatives (they're taking up 2 rows here, by the way) #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Chad said it's sad to see him go. He laughs and says we will deal with the service later #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork He is given an amount and she explains other charges on top of that. He's given a ballpark of 2k and says he will call other places and will be in touch. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Charles was killed in Chandler and the phone call was placed the evening of his death. The number was from Chad and he recognized the voice as Chad. Charles was from Louisiana #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork A lot of jurors are writing notes #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork On the Lori4Style iCloud he found a recorded blessing. It was for Alex Cox. There was an audio recording and a document for that. Chad and Lori were on that call. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork The blessing was a patriarchal blessing given to any worthy member of the church & given by a stake patriarch to give guidance in your life. Chad gave it. He didn't have the authority to give that blessing. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork They're going to play the recording. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Here is the transcript of the blessing #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

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@LawCrimeNetwork Lori has her head down as this is being played. The jury is listening. Some are looking at Lori. You can hear sniffling on the phone. I assume this is Alex. Melanie Gibb said Alex told her he cried like a baby when he got this "blessing" #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Man, these jurors have had quite a day. Oh - Chad sounds like he is crying on the recording. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork I heard double sniffling so I think Chad and Alex both are crying. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork When it says "I see you gathering little children in your arms" several members of the jury kind of gave a look of shock. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Chad's voice is VERY creepy on this speaker in a quiet courtroom. #LoriVallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Blake asks if there was a timestamp and he says it was Nov 24 or 25, 2019. He says the day after Tammy Daybell was exhumed - That jury was just shocked. #lorivallow @LawCrimeNetwork

@LawCrimeNetwork Tammy Daybell was exhumed on December 11, 2019