Thread by @critcrim

The coroner's inquest into the Vancouver police killing of Myles Gray resumes today at 9 AM.

Schedluded are
Cst T Tan (VPD)
Cst. J. Gravengard (VPD)
Cst. K. Dent (VPD)
Cst. B. London (VPD)

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Cst Tiffany Tan
Police officer for 8 years.

In field training, 4 weeks in, on day.

Cst Bowater was trainer.
Starting "Charlie shift" in marked police car.

Heard call from M Reza describing shirtless mail, possibly intoxicated, high.
Heard call from Cst Sahota.
Call for cover.

She and Bowater were on different call.

Heard calls saying male was challenging.

Began driving lights and sirens took 12-13 minutes to get there.

Heard a lot of heavy breathing and stress from police calls.

When arrived heard update Myles was in custody

Saw Folkestad

Sahota, Thompson.

Folkestad appeared crying. Jaw, face swollen. Kept swearing.

Sahota's hair a mess. Globule of spit on hair.
Uniform dirty.

Thompson injured. Extreme blood on face.

Bowater told her to stay with them.

Folkestad looked like he couldn't stand up.

Ambulance

Paramedic to Thompson first.

Heard that her field trainer wanted her to go up might be excited delirium.

**Excited delirium is made up by cops when they kill.**

Photo of yard shown.

Confirms she saw Myles laying in grass there.

Myles on stomach, head to side.

Two handcuffs. Hobble.
Bowater holding hobble.

Officer Dent holding shoulders.

Doesn't remember other officers.

Saw smeared blood on Myles face.

Recalls his chest moving. Doesn't remember abnormal breathing.

Within a minute of her arrival, Myles rolled onto back. Cpr.

Believes Bowater and Cain.

Within minute fire arrived. They with Bowater and Cain doing cpr.

Life support paramedics within minute took over cpr.

Left and took Sahota's van back to vpd.

Later that night gave audio interview to iio.

Donaldson asks to see her notes.

He didn't have them.

Doesn't have her police statement with her.

Q. At VPD. Interview around 10 PM. Stamatakis was there.
A. Correct. Assumes had quick conversation with him.

Q. At debrief we're all officers present
A. Mostly present. Stamatakis and other union reps there

Q. Discussion about not taking notes
A. Recalls being told by someone not to author any notes. Doesn't recall who told her.

Agrees no notes in notebook reflecting the events that day.

Qs about her observations.
A. Saw baton, spray can, sunglasses and watch on ground.

She is shown notes on radio documents.

She does not recall Burnaby fire being there when she arrived on scene.
Q do you recall firefighters being turned away.
A. No, didn't see that. Did not deal directly with them.

Saw Dent and later Cain.
Agrees other officers might have been

Bowater holding hobble. Dent holding Myles arm. Doesn't recall who else was holding.

Can't remember how many officers.

Believes officers to his side holding limbs.

Some blood on Myles face. Smeared. Didn't look like actively bleeding like Thompsons was.

Bruising on one arm

Can't say how significant.
Doesn't recall racoon eyes.

Could taste or smell pepper spray.

Q. Remember any fire up in yard?
A. Don't recall.

A. prepared police statement next day at 9 or 10 PM.

Q. Added some things you didn't say to iio?
Joseph suggests withdraw questions

Q. Bruising
A. No, didn't add anything.

Q. Excited delirium according to Bowater.
Q. Recall Birzneck
A. No

Q. Conversations police had with each other
A. No

Doesn't recall conversations at scene.

Joseph asks about previous questions on items seen at scene.

Juror 1

Q. On training. How far from Myles.
A. About 5 to 10 feet from Myles

Q. Training on how far to stay away
A. No traing on that

Q. In training any suggestions of doing assessment of scene
A. Constantly assessing the scene. Doesn't understand question.
Yes part training

Constantly taking in information to assess a scene.

Knew several of the officers on scene. Part of District 3.

Juror 5
Clarification. Procedures for notes.
A. Dependent on call you are on.
Didn't question directions not to take notes. In field training.

Coroner. How would

You take notes
A. Supposed to be in notebook.

Tan currently works in DTES. Been in numerous abnormal situations. Always made notes.

Understands that to be VPD policy.

Never been instructed not to since.

Donaldson. We're those other abnormal situations involving

Many officers that ended with someone dead.

A. No.

Excused.

Cst John Gravengard.

VPD officer for 15 years now.

Position on day was patrol officer. Operations in District 3.

Trained in taser, bean bag shotgun, long rifle.

3 Bravo 90. 90 suggests long gun. Bravo, morning

Shift.
3 Bravo 90 his call sign.

Trained in long gun, mag capacity, more bullets.

Started Shift at 6:45 AM. Briefing, social activities Sgt gives call sign.

Working by self that day.

Just after 3 PM. Was at Dairy Queen 6-1 coffee break for kids day.

Heard call at 3:20

For male spraying water, agitated

Didn't think anything about it. Just water spraying.

Heard Sahota call for cover units.
Others on Josh Wong and Nick Thompson, left for call.

They were "on health kick" and didn't eat ice cream

Bowater and Spencer then left for call.

Heard it ramping up so went as well.

He was dispatched at 3:20.

He went lights and sirens.

Gives long description of driving route he took. Very specific on every street and turn.

Seems confused on Marine Way or Marine Drive.

Can't say the Joffre address.

Shown Google map.

Then confirms it was Marine Drive not Way.

Parked car and exited. Observed set of stairs and a few police vehicles. Saw police wagon and 3 or 4 cars.

Proceeded up stairs. Heard sounds there. About 15 feet above eye level.

At top of stairs saw Folkestad. He looked disheveled.

Dirty, not himself.

Folkestad thought his Jaw was broke. Holding hand, thought broken.

Gravengard assisted Birzneck. Looked disheveled too.

Folkestad looked dazed, not the same.

Went past Folkestad. Also saw Josh Wong. Limping, not sure which side. Looked disheveled.

Asked him if he was OK.
Said, fine.

Says Wong has been in lot of car accidents. He works out with Wong every morning.

Saw open area on South side. Saw Bowater holding hobble.

Saw shirtless male on ground. Face down. Socks. Looked to be 180 pounds. Quite muscular.

Saw double handcuffs. Usually means large stature.
Saw Spencer on Myles right side, holding right arm. Chicken wing.

On left side was Cain. Also chicken wing. Cain holding Myles down.

Police always try to find work to do.
Decided to help out. Bowater had feet on hobble strap

Mykes doing thrusters. Hip thrusters. Hips moving towards sky.
Hamstring curls.

Gravengard says he tries to work out as much as he can every week.

Put knees on Myles hamstring and calf. Right.

Right knee on right hamstring. Left knee on left calf.

Says Myles was quite strong

Says Myles had v shaped back.

Makes superhuman strength claim again.

Says Myles lifted him with hamstring curks. He fell off and had to reposition again.

Saw Myles spitting quite a bit. Lot of saliva.

What Myles was saying wasn't English. Inaudible.

Saw Spencer at eye level

With himself.

Myles spitting to his right.

Noticed an injury. Not normal. Injury to bicep. Saw that after.

Was there for 4 to 6 minutes. No one behind him. Eventually paramedics were behind him.

Saw Tan behind him. Saw fire staged behind them.
Mykes face was red. Heavy breat

Chest rising up and down.
Breathing slowed. Myles went limp.

Didn't know what was going on. Knew Cain was ex-paramefic. Bowater ex-medic, military.

Had heard ALS on radio earlier.

As Myles went limp, someone checked pulse.

Someone took handcuffs off.

Myles put in recovery

Position.
Can't say which side.

Helped take off hobble.

Turned to back. Cpr started. Bowater doing chest compressions.

Paramedic and Cain were talking. Medical terms, he didn't understand.

He started holding 2 IV bags.
Someone brought defibrillator.

He is trained in that

As a taser operator.

Saw female paramedic.

Paramedic asked if taser was deployed. He said no. Saw no taser prongs out. He didn't use his.

Held IV for 7 to 10 minutes.

Someone took over for Bowater.

Paramedic said "no shock" referring to AAD.

Discussion of AAD pads.

Only remembers no shock advised.

Bicep. Saw bicep bruising in a big lump. Usually means hit with an object.

Gave up IV bags. Left scene.

Went back down. Took notes when things had settled down a bit for himself.

Written in notebook.

Talked to Sgt Sidhu.

Iio came.

Talked to Sgt again. He needed ride back to VPD to meet on 7th floor.

Sgt said not to talk to anyone.

Saw Sahota for first time. Didn't se her on scene.

"We joked around a bit."

She was bandaged.

Saw everyone there he has seen on scene.

Had some food and beverages

Talked about how they felt.
Can't recall IIO.

Q. Any discussion about what happened.
A. Pretty sure we did. Had done that after 2011 riot.

Gave statement to IIO on August 15.

Q did you notice gargling sound.
A. Couldn't tell you. Inaudible words. Can't recall.

Q. Spit or

Blood.
A. Doesn't recall any blood. Didn't really focus on the blood.
Spit was mostly in front or to right.
Saw face going back and forth.

Q. About muscles, movement.
A. Muscles were tense and quite large. Large calfs.

Hands clenched. Seemed tense the whole time through.

Very muscular.

Look at photo.

Remembers Myles head facing west.
Felt Mykes was more North than the photo depicts. More towards center of lawn.

First assessment when seeing Myles. Threat level was very low. Already in handcuffs.

Q. Any discussions about end goal

Priority was to get ALS there. But no plan.

Cocaine psychosis or excited delirium.

Would use taser to create window of opportunity. Even if on cocaine or excited delirium. But he was restrained.

Explains training on excited delirium. Drugs and mental health.
Hard to control

Or even talk with them.

Can't use deescalation on someone with excited delirium.

Hard to reason with them.

Q. Training on deescalation.
A. Cycle teaing 4 times a year. Can't remember when he got it.

Has had trainings on excited delirium and taser use though.

Pepper spray

Can be flammable when taser is deployed.

Do have traing on mental health. Seems like mental health issues are something prevalent now.

He is now Musqueum liaison officer.

Break until 11:10.

Resumes at 11:16.

Q on taser.
A. No, not a threat at the time. Based on situation no need to deploy.

Q. Statement to IIO. Pg 48/2114 for counsel. About gargling. Line 8. Gravengard mentions gargling in response to IIO.

A. That does recall his memory. Now remembers gargling

Like gargling when brushing teeth.

Q. About Myles face.
A. Doesn't recall injuries to face at the time. No cut. Only remembers cuts on Folkestad and Thompson.
No blackened eyes.
Doesn't remember smelling pepper spray.

Q about end goal.
A. Understood ALS could sedate.

A. Did not have knowledge of fire being told not to go to scene.
Doesn't recall conversations with first responders.

Those questions were from McKnight, VPD lawyer.

Donaldson, family counsel.

Q. Refere to long statement from his IIO statement.
Telling IIO that Myles

Was moving and he told first responders to wait.

Can't recall if it was ALS or not.

Q. Neither Ehs or firecwere allowed to attend until after he stopped breathing
A. When he went limp.

Refers to call log document.

Back at VPD. Association people.

A. Can't recall

Told not to prepare report and upload to prime.

Genson/Jenson??

Back to scene discussions.

Saw Cst Tan.

Low risk when someone hobbled and handcuffed.

A. Says even if hobbled someone could, spit, head but, dropkick.

But agrees low risk.

Head and chest were still on ground

If feet are off ground in leg curls, can't stand up.

Cain and Spencer holding Myles down. Pressure on arms.

Saw Sahota first going up elevator at VPD. Not at scene, but knew she was there from radio.

He left scene with Tajinder Sidhu, his Sergeant.

Saw Sidhu speaking

With other members at scene.

Didn't know oc spray had been used.

Big bump on bicep. Doesn't recall bruising on legs, but remembers large calfs.

Q. Gargling. You looked at his face.
A. More focused on saliva, but can't say what color.
Q. You've got to be looking at his face

Q. Laceration on forehead, broken nose
A. From my experience it usually does bleed

Q. Throat injury.

Joseph interrupts.

Donaldson says its a fair question. These injuries existed.

He says Gravengard was focused on saliva, did he see blood.
A. No.

Leg injuries?

Pg 79 of iio statement.
Line 23. Over page it says he saw some bruising but could have been dirt.

A. Would say there was, but not sure if from dirt.
Could have been both bruising and dirt.

Did you see Sgt Roberts at scene. A. Yes. He is here today.

**Roberts will be testifying

But has been allowed to be on court to watch proceedings beforehand. Sketchy**

Saw Cst Wong limping.

Cain said toe was hurting.
A. Yes, not sure why.

Q. Paramedic asked what had happened, what force options deployed.

He was present when officers answered.

Paramedic asked

If Myles was choked. One officer said "We prefer not to call it choking."

He heard Thompson was hit by a tree branch.

**But they weren't supposed to be talking about the incident together**

Joseph, officer counsel.

Qs about what he saw on arrival.
A. Says Wong's face turns

Red when he works out.

Q about hobble.
A. Bowater was struggling a bit with hobble.

P61 of statement, line 13.

Had never seen someone do hamstring curls with hobble or lift someone with hobble.

Saw no contact with head or torso.

Saw Birzneck broken chain from badge.

Remembers redness on Birzneck neck.

Juror 1
Q. 7th floor. Directed not to discuss details, but feelings shared.
A. Talk about how we felt about the whole situation.
All times he's been on 7th floor, talk about smells, tastes, feelings. Angry, sad.
Can't recall everything

Go around the horn. Talk about what they experienced.

Never know how you'll react.

Joke around. "Don't worry about it."

More worried about...pauses.
More worried about fellow police officers than anything else. That's how my mom raised me.

Don't always want to talk about

A. Can't tell you about bruising.

Juror 4.
Spitting mentioned repeatedly.
Q. Was he frothing at mouth? How would you differentiate.
A. Frothing would be whiter.
More around mouth.
Q. Might try to spit out frothing.

Coroner.
Q. Where were your hands when kneeling.
A. Can't tell

Remembers his feet. Most likely would have used hands for balance.

Q. About discussion.
A. Usually someone leads it. Can't say who.
Q. Are you cautioned not to talk about specifics.
A. It's a free space, talk about the situation.
He remembers the riot more.

Q about risk

Do you also consider risk to subject being controlled?
A. Intention is to stop threat. Job is to stop threat at any level.
Q about spitting or frothing. Activity at head.
A. Remembers spitting directly in front. And at side, right, not to left.

Q. Any point his face in ground

A can't recall. Lot of spitting.
Chest was on ground. Back was rising not chest.
Q. Did you think he was having hard time breathing.
A. Not medical expert.
Don't think he was having trouble breathing.
Play a lot of sports and works out, start breathing heavily to get oxygen

Q. Leg bruising. Skin discolored?
A. Correct.

Donaldson.
Q. During events, you were at most a foot away from Myles.
A. Yes.
Q. Timing. From your iio estimates, 5 to 7 minutes before EHS is involved. P15 of statement. Line 13. Before that. P65. Line 11+. 6 or 7 minutes.

Joseph.
Statement. 4 to 7 minutes.

Gravengard wants to say one more thing. Says truly sorry for you son's loss to family.

Hears lots of stories, works at reserve, hears lots of stories. It's not easy.

Says he is sorry for their loss.

Break until 1:15 PM.

Resumes 1:20

Cst Kyle Dent
Police officer for 15 years.
Operations division, team 2 district 1.

On day qualified for baton, oc, beanbag shotgun, taser, firearm.

Shotgun was in vehicle. Had firearm and oc on him.

Deescalation training. Whatever the department has.

Believes he had crisis and deescalation. Can't recall exactly.

Intoxication training. Standard from JIBC. Cycle training in department.

When call came in plainclothes with Cst London.
Mobile command center.
Brought out at large events.

They were parking it a lot at VPD hq.

Didn't respond to initial call. Too far away.

Heard another call for cover from other response unit. Birzneck and Folkestad. Sounded stressed and urgent. "This guys challenging us."

Challenge is a triggering word.

Told partner we have to go.

Responded code 3.
Lights and siren

Not in any way close but still responded.
Not paying attention to broadcasts.

Some stuck out. Fighting. Into custody. Still fighting. Unresponsive. Need ehs with sedation. Cone to. Fighting again. Something about a tree.

Had only been in district about 4 months. Knew general

Area. Partner told him wrong way. Had to turn around. Came in North of Joffre.

Approximately 3 pm. Didn't put himself on scene. Immediately parked middle of street, got out went down street.

Saw Folkestad in ambulance. Blood on head. Dazed.

Moved on.
Saw Stokes controlling

Traffic.

Went up.
Saw Birzneck. Went by him. He was huffing and puffing.

Saw paramedics and fire. Saw Sgt Jackel.

Standing at Myles feet.

Photo put up.
Recognizes scene.

Birzneck huffing and puffing. Down below retaining wall.

Saw paramedics and fire in upper area.

Sgt Jackel and Cst Bowater were in middle of upper area.

Stood for couple of seconds. Tried to figure out what was important now.

Myles was yelling but not words.
A loud growl.
On stomach, back to him.
Double cuffed. Head tilted towards right shoulder. Red on face, grunting

Left elbow at midsection, flapping up and down.
Moved to side placed knee near Myles torso. Recently trained in this. Straightened arm on elbow. Held it for 2 minutes. Know idea in truth how long he held it.
Myles continued to rock. Dent is 200 pounds.
Says Myles could lift him

Said this person is incredibly string.
Lifted upper body while he had hand on elbow.
Literally lifting up my body.
Impressed with this.

Now says he misspoke about custody. He meant control since Myles was already handcuffed.
Wanted to assist officers holding Myles

Doesn't know how many were there.
Everyone was doing a task.
London had told him during the drive that Cain had been paramedic.

Dent had thought it was psychosis or excited delirium beforehand

First time he met Cain.

Held Myles for up to 2 minutes then all resistance stopped

Cain said roll him on his side.
Rolled Myles on his side.
Cain started sternum rub. Said "wake up."

Bowater came in. Knew him and that he was a paramedic.

Found handcuffs key and unlatched one. His key broke off in handcuff.

Believes Bowater started first aid.
Cain called

For paramedics.

Dent had walked DTES beat. Seen many overdoses.

At this point disengaged.

Left and went to care for Birzneck who said he was fine.
Birzneck said Myles hit Folkestad so hard. Clocked him.
Says Birzneck is most well rounded officer he's worked with. Negotiator.

Set up crime scene tape at top and bottom of street.
Took firearms from officers going to hospital 4 firearms. Sahota, Wong, one other.
Everyone stunned.

Sahota stunned, holding elbow. Fighting back tears.
Folkestad didn't know where he was.

Dent suspected pepper spray.

Folkestad looked through him.
Amy Harris, forensic ident.

Made notes, not whole narrative. Went code 3, grabbed elbow. Times he took firearms, when he put them in car.
Interviewed by iio that night as witness officer.

McKnight.
Q. What is cycle 4 training.
A. 4 training days

8 hours. Cycle 1 is firearms.
Others are tactics.
Can be new case law, drug laws, other departments practices. Can be deescalation. Can be mental health. He says any altered frame of mind. Elevated states, hallucinations.

Q. Use of force guidelines.
A. Presence is first.

Q. Observed Myles face. Any blood.
A. Doesn't recall seeing any. Eyes closed, breathing heavily. Grunting.
Q. Cuts?
A. Don't recall.
Q. Bruising on face.
A. No, only got a couple seconds glimpse.
Q. Spitting?
A. No. Saw back of head after first seconds.
Q where was Cain
A higher

On elbow. Couldn't see what Cain was doing.

Saw hobble. Can't say which officer held it.

Couldn't see officer on right side of Myles.

Q. Purpose of crime tape?
A. Control area. Prevent citizens from walking in.

Q. About Folkestad.
A. Covered in water. Suspected oc

Doesn't know who was hit by it.
Did not smell or taste oc.

Donaldson.
Asks him to give over notebook.
Returns it.

Q. What time you get there
A. Doesn't know. Approximately left maintenance yard at 5 to 3.

Refers him to time entry log exhibit.

He and London arrived at 3:24

But that was after Myles was dead.

In his statement he recalled fighting broadcasts.

Fire arrived at 3:30.

He passed ambulance personnel. Questions of timing.

He went down hill with Birzneck. Said things about Myles but not about himself to Dent.

Folkestad interaction

Was on Dents arrival.

Said Myles elbow was flapping.

A. Dent disagrees that a flapping elbow would pose a risk, even though handcuffed and hobbled.

Dent didn't see leg curls because he was hobbled.

Agrees you can't lift your feet with a hobble on. Couldn't.
Rocking side to

Side.

Q. Could have been trying to breathe.
A. That could be one explanation.

Q. Saw small blood on Folkestad.
Any on Myles.
A. Doesn't recall.
Q. Substantial bruising
A. Don't recall. Noted left elbow was purple ish.
Focused on face for second or too. But noted no blood.

Q. All holding Myles down.
A. Yes.

Q. Fire and ehs were there.
A. Yes.

Q. You said challenging was a trigger. Conveyed what?
A. Typically high risk, weapon or incredibly aggressive.
Challenge for police means giving commands, taking into custody.
Q. If a cop says they're

Challenging they need radio capacity. Fighting, don't know how it will go.

Q. If cop says challenging those are commands and taking into custody.
A. Yes.

Joseph, officer counsel.

Q. Rocking is large movement
A. Yes.

Q Myles chest was free
A. Yes.

Q. Never saw officers

On head or back.
A. Correct.

Q. You recall dirty, mud and sweat.
A. Yes. Myles was "slimy" when he put his hands on him to give c clamp.

Q. Challenging. Are there times when this is used in interaction that it is resolved verbally.
A. Yes.

Juror 1

Q. Training. Before 2015

Was there scenario training for multiple officers apprehending. Any for keeping subject safe.
A. Can't recall any before 2015. Has done some scenario training.
Knows they do it, can't recall any specific prior to 2015.

Part of taset qualification is scenario.

Can't recall

One specific scenario.

Q. Doesn't understand multiple police officers having no coordination or communication in such events.
A. Usually happens in taking into custody. They'll say who has which arm or leg.
In this situation no need for it, because handcuffed

Raises excited delirium again.

Wasn't there for take down.

His interpretation was communication had already happened.

Q. Mobile command center.
A. Big rig.

Juror 2. Challenge.
A. Common term.
Q. Sounds like different officers had different ideas about what Challenge means

Juror 4.
Q. Holding above elbow or forearm.
A. Can't recall might have been bend in elbow.

A. Doesn't know where other officer was on other side, what hold was used.

Q. On individual with large chest frame, pectorals, wouldn't that restrict his breathing.
A. Not medical

Professional. Believes his breathing wasn't restricted because he could grunt.

Juror 5.
Q. Notes at scene?
A. Yes.

Q. Did you go to 7th floor
A. Yes, iio interview that night. Not told not to take notes.

Coroner.
Why are there codes? Number codes to identify actions you take.

VPD's less code heavy than RCMP.

Q. Any training on what challenge means.
A. Common practice to say it.

Q. Challenge could indicate confrontation.
A. Yes. Gives his perception. Issuing commands. Something that has potential for danger.
Could be different from other police

Agency.

Dent excused.

Break until 2:55.

Resumes at 3:02.

Cst Bryan London

Police officer since 2008.

On the day was police Cst. Partnered with Cst Dent.

Was at police key lot. Advised by Dent of call for cover.

Debt drove them to location.

Heard calls. His sense was it was chaotic situation.

Arrived 3:30 pm.

First saw Folkestad with panicked look on face. Also noted effects of pepper spray.

Says Folkestad told him guy punched me in the Jaw.

Only Folkestad and himself.

Folkestad told him other were at top of stairs.

Encountered Thompson with gauze on head.

Saw Myles on his stomac

Saw Myles on ground, not sure if handcuffed.

Aggressive growling noise, kicking feet.

Can't recall where exactly. Says face down then changes to belly down.

Kicking feet.

Saw Birzneck standing. Other officers can't recall. Didn't see hobble.

Assessment was ask Cain are you

Good. Answer was yes, so he turned around and went down stairs.

Saw looney sized blood mark above Myles eyebrow.

Went back down. Sat with Folkestad.

Q. Contact with others?
A. Sahota then came and sat in ambulance.

Used notes, statement and iio interview to refresh.

Interview by iio that evening.

McKnight.
Put up photo.
Doesn't recognize the yard.

Shown another photo.
Thought stairs were wooden until he saw the photo.
Didn't even recall house being there.

Says he was only in yard for 5 seconds.

Blood spot on Myles above right eyebrow.

Saw no other marks on his face.

No black eyes or bruising.
Can't recall if shirtless, shoeless or shorts.
Didn't see bruising.

Q. How far away.
A. One or two meters.

Donaldson.

When you see Myles, he's surrounded by police.
A. Yes. A lot. Saw Cain on top of him.

Line 24 in iio.
Cain on top, sitting on him, knee holding him down.

Assumed Myles was in custody but couldn't see.

Q. Were officers in your way?
A. No.

Says he was looking Cain in face.

Said in statement was under other officers. Now said other officers weren't in his way

Cain, Birzneck, 4 or 5 other officers on Myles he said in iio statement.

Joseph.
Rereading of London's iio statement.

Q. What is understanding of challenge.
A. If he hears this it identifies going to make contact.
Only indicates verbal contact in his mind.

Q. Conversation

A. That could be part of it.

Juror 3.
Q about arriving.
A. Believes 3:30.
Q. Same vehicle as Dent.
A. Yes. Not sure when Dent exited. Doesn't know if Dent went up the stairs.

Wouldn't surprise him if other officers were on Myles.

Juror 4.
Cain had knee on Myles bum or thighs.

Coroner.
When did you next see Dent.

A.Don't recall.
Possible he was there but he didn't see him.

Saw right side of Myles face. Noticed looney sized spot above right eyebrow.

Stain. Didn't appeared actively bleeding.

Only noticed kicking legs. Didn't notice hobble.

Couldn't recall if legs were together or apart.

London excused.

Ends witness list for today.

Adjourned until tomorrow at 9 AM.