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Recently filed CA9 appeal asks court to answer whether compelled biometric access is "testimonial" and therefore triggers the 5th Amendment privilege.
US v. Payne, 22-50262.

This one has a clear answer: No.

Thread below.

drive.google.com/file/d/1XU4rER… #N Image
In the case, officers took Payne's hand, "grabbed [his] thumb and unlocked the phone." I read that to mean that they took his thumb and placed in on the biometric reader. Later, the officer asked/ordered him to give the code to not have to use the thumb every time. Image
As I read the brief, the only 5A issue is whether placing Payne's thumb on the reader was testimonial. Image
As I have written many times before, though, it clearly isn't. It has evidentiary value, sure, in that it provides access to the phone. But skin on your thumb isn't the mind; it doesn't testify. The ridges on your skin don't have thoughts to share. reason.com/volokh/2019/01… ImageImage
It could be a different case if the government tells the person to pick the part of their body they use to unlock the device, and to do it. See the post below. But that's not implicated where the government picks a thumb and puts it on the reader.
washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-co…

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May 2
To explain the "lol," we have been having many conversations recently about the role of novel constitutional arguments to achieve policy goals. During the Trump era, the Trump admin's reliance on such arguments to get what it wanted was a subject of much-deserved criticism. /1
I found the story amusing b/c at least some Biden admin aides seem to now like that strategy. I guess it's inevitable that executive branches will at least toy with novel theories to get out of a jam; there are obvious political reasons to do that. /2
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Apr 30
Keep returning in my mind to this 8th Circuit 4th Amendment case from yesterday, US v. Forjan. Three judges each went different ways, ultimately affirming the conviction 2-1 but on different grounds. Let's take a look.

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ecf.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/23/04/2…
Quick facts: This is a drug case with narcotics officers watching a trailer they suspect is being used to distribute meth. An officer decides to investigate by conducting pretextual traffic stops of cars leaving the trailer.
That is, look for traffic violations, pull over cars based on that, even though you're really looking for drugs. The Supreme Court says this is basically fine, but you need to find that traffic violation first.
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Apr 6
A number of efforts at social change seem to implicate the question of whether, if you take an existing institution that has current influence because of its prestige or history, and change the institution, that institution will continue to have influence or will lose it.
BTW, I was thinking about this in two totally unrelated contexts.

1) Not about social change, but still interesting: Elon Musk wants to charge for a blue check on the theory that blue checks are prestigious and therefore people will pay for them.
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Apr 5
Haven't studied this closely, but don't think I get the preemption argument re the Trump case (assuming they're based on fed law). When states use "intent to commit another crime" enhancements, why should fed campaign finance crimes be exempted from that?
nytimes.com/2023/04/05/opi…
I realize that even speculating about this is weird; we don't know if that's the theory NY plans to proceed on. But if NY law says it's a felony to submit a false business record with intent to commit another crime, it's not clear to me why campaign finance preemption acts...
to effectively carve out federal campaign finance crimes from the list of what is another crime. It's not changing campaign finance law; it's using federal law as an element (assuming "another crime" includes federal crimes as a matter of statutory interpretation).
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Mar 31
More craziness at America’s law schools.
What do we want? Replevin!
When do we want it? Before the end of Michaelmas Term!
All just fodder for the culture wars — it’s all the Roundheads vs. the Royalists these days.
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Mar 24
Law professors often say that they are skilled at presenting arguments they passionately disagree with in class discussions. Certainly possible, and no doubt, some are. But I would think it's pretty hard to accurately gauge your own skill at that.
Especially so when the argument is one that a particular professor thinks you'd have to be pretty dim to actually believe, or that the professor thinks is made in bad faith. Hard to switch into making the best case for a view you see as a lie.
In particular, it's easy to fall into the "I think this idea is weak, so I will present a weak argument for it and that will be accurate" mindset, instead of the "I will completely immerse myself in the premises of this argument & make the argument that naturally follows" view.
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