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#IrishCaveBones Day7(final thread from @RuthFCarden ): 1/n Apologies people, a delayed start to my final thread here today on @IrelandsEnviro - a friend called over for a catch up and coffee. So with some blueberries to hand, let's get into this. I must say it's been great fun &
2/n very much enjoyable for me to have had this chance to share our wonderful research on #IrishCaveBones with you all, and to find that you all find it as fascinating and exciting as I/we do! Thank you all for following along this week, your RTs, comments and interest.
3/n And thank you to David for the invite to come on here to share too. Hope to return next year for another update on our #IrishCaveBones research and hopefully lots more results to share, with stories about Ireland's past ecoystems and animals.
4/n Now, a list of papers, these results have come from are as follows (contact me for copies if you wish)...and there's lots of unpublished as yet info in the threads too:
Carden et al. (2012). Red deer origins work: sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
5/n Dowd & Carden (2016). Palaeolithic brown bear kneecap with cut marks.

sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
6/n Woodman et al. (2017). Killuragh cave

jstor.org/stable/26564119
7/n Carden et al. (2020) Redating cave bones and new radiocarbon dates for Ireland.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.111…
8/n So, where are we at now? Our current & future work. It's not just me anymore, a collaborative team of researchers have joined to become the #IrishCaveBones research team, working together to produce new knowledge, building on earlier research into Ireland's palaeoecosystems.
9/n Team consists of myself, Helen Lewis @ucddublin , Richard Jennings @RCEAP_LJMU, Cork Speleological Group of cavers, Maarten Blauuw @14_chrono, Brian Hayden @DrHaydo of University New Brunswick, Canada, Mike Simms & Greer Ramsay National Museums of Northern Ireland, ...
10/n ... Patrick Randolph-Quinney @KabwePRQ Northumbria Uni, Pontus Skoglund Francis Crick Institute, Greger Larson Oxford Uni, Mike Buckley Manchester Uni, Allan McDevitt @ShrewGod ATU, Dan Bradley Trinity College Dublin. And one more member, but I'll save him until later!
11/n We have gratefully obtained funding from @RIAdawson with Richard as Principal Investigator (PI) and Helen and I as co-PIs, to conduct archaeological cave excavations in Castlepook cave (Season 1, 2022) and Kilcolman cave (Season 1, 2023). Black and white film photo ...Colour photo of interior of...
12/n We completed our first season at Castlepook cave last May/June for two weeks (2022). We discovered that Ussher (from earlier thread this week) did not remove all of the cave sediment from within and there are still animal bones such as reindeer, bear, Arctic lemming in situ.
13/n At Castlepook cave excavation in '22, we got great and welcoming local community support, which made a huge difference to us on site. Lots of visitors arrive to chat and were delighted we were there. Including Pat (below), who returned to us this year at Kilcolman cave. A black and white portrait ...
14/n We will return to Castlepook cave this September coming to do more work and research there. We work and collaborate (for life!) with the members of the Cork Speleological Group: Stan, Brian, Jerry, Terry, Michael, Denise, Daniel, Monika, who keep us safe inside the caves.
15/n And Monika, Stan, Denise, Daniel and others have been conducting internal mapping surveys of the caves we work in (others later this year+), which will produce up-to-date internal maps and coordinates within, the basis for more analysis into spatial distribution patterns. A black and white portrait ...A colour photo of Stan with...
16/n At Kilcolman cave, we also had three undergraduate archaeology students (Molly, Beth and Annie) from Richard's class in Liverpool John Moores University, at their first archaeological excavation learning the techniques from Phil, our lead site cave archaeologist. A colour photography of Mol...A colour photo of Annie in ...A black and white photo of ...
17/n We hope to return to Kilcolman cave next year subject to funding. We had Mike Simms down with us to put his keen expert eye and brain in both caves. Mike's expertise lies in the formation of limestone caves, so he can tell us how they form and how they work with/out water. a colour photo of Mike Simm...
18/n We will continue to excavate and sample, explore other caves later this year and into next year too. Currently I am employed part-time with @ucddublin Sch. of Archaeology on the @IrishResearch COALESCE INSTAR+ grant, funded by @NationalMons where I hope to finish a few
19/n caves and their bones, (finally some funding for my ongoing work!), within National Museum of Ireland subject to research access permissions. Also shortly I travel to the National Museums of Northern Ireland, where they have opened the doors enthusiastically to collaboration
20/n and letting me borrow, via a loan, their caves' bones and so we can approach this research as an all-island, as was the case from 50,000 years ago! My full reassessments, sorting and bagging/labelling will continue this summer - I can't wait !!! Look - WOLVES!!!! 🐺🐺🐺 a drawer fill with bones an...a stack or cabinet of drawe...
21/n I'll also be leading and writing a few papers based on some of the COALESCE grant results, and other research too (more on this later ... so exciting!!), over the summer months into Autumn - it's going to be busy but will be EPIC! I'll also get to some of the cave sites.
22/n We have already spotted a few grants with deadlines later this year, to apply for more money to fund more of my time and others along with costs of various analysis. We will try and see where we get with it. Sure, if you're not in, you can't win as they say.
23/n In the meantime, I've created a website for all the #IrishCaveBones research and adventures, a repository and archive going forward, as there are so many collaborations now and I have some mini-projects spinning off too. Need somewhere to put all this, &photos, with blog too
24/n The website is irishcavebones.ie In the interim, we need to raise extra funding to cover extra radiocarbon dates - remember how cruical these are to our work and understanding of Ireland's past. There is a link for any monetary support - every little bit helps us.
25/n Remember the Kilgreany cave lynx that needs re-dating? Is it truly Mesolithic date some 8,500 years ago? It was dated without ultra-filtration, and so needs re-dating now and we saw how all the rest of the animals moved in time in Day 4's thread! Also we don't have enough
26/n or any wild boar bones dated. I come across these a lot in some of the caves. Need more wolves and now we have 'Northern Irish' wolves - maybe that's were they went to?! What about otter, pine marten, badger, red fox - we know essentially nothing about when these were here!
27/n I am open to commerical/business funding support to cover radiocarbon dates with special collaborations perks. We really need more radiocarbon dates for our animals in the past to really understand what's going on with climatic/other influences on all these animals.

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May 6
#IrishCaveBones Day6: 1/n It's me again, @RuthFCarden, I have my mug of tea (Lyons gold blend and I'm not sorry!), let's bring ye into my world of animal bones in a bit more detail... ye have seen all the incredible knowledge we have gained about Ireland & it's past animals in
2/n previous threads this week. But all this knowledge and more, stems from the actual #IrishCaveBones themselves and their correct identification. Now, some of ye when I say bones, might picture whole, intact bones, like these below ... intact, complete femur anim...intact, whole complete anim...intact skulls from (top) wi...complete, whole intact Iris...
3/n These whole, complete, intact bones and skulls are a rare occurrence from Irish caves (and most archaeological animal bone assemblages). In reality, I am faced with a pile of bone fragments, and these are the fragments that if you 'listen' carefully too, tell me their secrets
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May 5
#IrishCaveBones Day5: 1/n So let's continue on our time travelling & jump forward in time to c.14,000 years BP & then continue from there. We do have a gap of knowledge between c.17,000 to c.14,000 years simply due to lack funding for radiocarbon dating of bones & other analysis.
2/n @RuthFCarden here again, tonight I have a mug of mint tea to join me on this thread. We do hope to get some of that time gap addressed, if we can, between now & end @IrishResearch grant Sept. '24. Tonight let's focus on what happened and a particular human-animal relationship
3/n Ireland's landscape was a nice place of many kinds of animals, those that stayed/recolonised after the last Ice Age and got back in before Ireland became an island c.17kyrsBP. Lots of woodlands pockets, amongst grass plains, where giant deer roamed & grazed their way through.
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#IrishCaveBones 1/n May the (Day) 4(th) be with you all! (sorry couldn't help StarWars ref with the day that's in it!). Now, I'm (@RuthFCarden) going to grab mug of tea & I suggest you grab your choice beverage, I don't know how long this will be - a lot of info & Qs to ask.
@RuthFCarden 2/n Now, let's get into tonight's thread, all about Ireland's animals - origins, what does the word native mean and to whom and how we use it, what we mean by naturalised species, (re)introductions and so on, but we need to start back in time first of all...
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May 3
#IrishCaveBones Day 3 🧵 1/n @RuthFCarden back again (with coffee in hand). A few of you have asked how did the animal bones get into the caves in Ireland? This is a great question but there are no simple answers, rather likely a mixture of different ways.....
2/n We saw how tight some passages are in Castlepook cave yesterday, so how did XXL sized Wooly mammoth bones, like the humerus front leg bone in photo, end up inside, deep underground? A black and white photo (fr...
3/n Bone caves, where animal bones have been found in caves, and bone-bearing cracks within/outside of limestone caves, are important sources of fossil animals but at times there is little cave sediment associated with these bones. There is an important relationship between
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May 2
#IrishCaveBones 1/n Day 2: @RuthFCarden here again. Hope ye grab a mug or choice beverage, let's see how long I go with tonight's thread. Tangents are probably a given as it's all so interesting. Open to questions throughout, I'll do my best to answer them once finished.
2/n We need to go back to the start of cave exploration in Ireland, the originals so to speak, to put into context what was done and how it effects our current/future cave excavation research. There are over 300 caves in Ireland, majority of them are found in limestone rock.
3/n There are large numbers of caves found in numerous counties in Ireland - Tipperary, Cork, Waterford, Clare, Kerry, Sligo and so on. Caves are really important habitats in their own right too - bats roost in them, hibernate there over winter & we find bat bones in them too...
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May 1
Day1: Intro 🧵
Thanks to @IrelandsEnviro for inviting me on to chat to ye all about our research & work on #IrishCaveBones, cave research, past ecosystems & humans/animals in Ireland during past c.50,000 years! so we start-some background first, why we started and who we are. 1/n
2/n Back in 2006/7, I was researching the origins of red deer in Ireland, along with some others. I approached @NMIreland Natural History Division to access animal bones that had been excavated from Irish caves in late 1800s to mid 1900s, seeking red deer bones if present.
3/n I did indeed find ancient red deer bones and antler (as we wanted to compare ancient DNA with modern Irish populations to determine if any were descended from ancient populations), but also found bones that were listed as red deer, but were not - pig, sheep, horse!
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