Thread by @cauldrononfire

I'm interested at the idea of Shelob being introduced before Adar's defeat.
As a reader, there are certain themes when she was introduced in The Two Towers that stuck out to me.
In the show we are introduced through Adar of the idea of the Orcs in a #RingsOfPower #LotR #RoP

different light. Adar, with his corrupt but still distinguishably elvish appearence, speaks of how the orcs were treated of Sauron and basically perceives them and himself as beings in shackles who didn't choose how to be and are living with what they were given.
While arguably

the Orcs ARE written as bad by Tolkien, I first remember perceiving the Orcs thus when Shelob had been introduced. Unlike them, Shelob did not answer to Sauron and, because of her power and unique utility, she was valued. She was both a guard and provided Sauron with spectacle

and a fulfilment of his sadistic tendancies. The Orcs themselves were great in number and therefore he obviously saw some of them as disposable, sending them to their death.
Yet it's not that they did NOT perceive this. Their loyalty seems to have primarily been rooted in the

the fact that if they stopped serving him, they were lost. Rallying around Sauron was to an extent a conscious decision of being treated like dirt in hopes of survival.
Sure, they were still written as awful beings, but this bit of nuance had my mind running upon the first read,

and every time after that. For the sole reason that I associatively connect these themes to Shelob's presense and to the scenes within her lair, I really wished that she, Sauron and Adar may share a short scene.