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Suspect, stopped by an officer in front of his mom's house, tosses his jacket over a fence on to his mom's property. Officer later grabs jacket and finds gun in pocket. Divided 5th Circuit: This violated the 4A, as suspect did not abandon the jacket.
ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/2… #N Image
Judge Ho, dissenting: The suspect had abandoned his jacket. Image
Notably, the majority opinion by Elrod looks for a distinct Jones/trespass test for abandonment, arguing that there was a common law abandonment test for property.

I have two thoughts on this.
First, given that the Katz test was about extending what is a search beyond the pre-Katz physical intrusion test, I don't think there's really a separate test; this was a physical search, so Jones and Katz are the same.
Second, the Court could have relied on what I believe is the Supreme Court's first abandonment of property case, Abel v. United States (1960), decided before Katz. Image
I don't think Abel offers a distinct test for abandonment under Jones, but then the absence of that may be suggestive on its own.

Either way, interesting case.
(BTW, screenshot discussing the Abel case is from the forthcoming 16th edition of Kamisar, LaFave et al. Crim Pro.)

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May 11
Trump in a "town hall" is just him lying, lie after lie after lie after lie, while the host tries to interject that this is false but Trump just starts talking over her and she can't be heard and it makes no difference.
All of which I assume makes Trump opponents wonder how anyone could support him and Trump supporters think how awesome he is.
Some are asking why she isn't pinning him down. There's no way to pin him down, though, b/c he doesn't play by normal discussion rules:.He doesn't stop talking, and he just keeps lying and lying and lying and there's no way to stop him. He'll just move on to the next lie.
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May 9
Colorado Supreme Court oral argument, from 5/4, in State v. Seymour, on the constitutionality of reverse keyword search warrants served on Google. Might have some comments after I listen, but for now here's the link:
youtube.com/live/EbBp6BO2M…
Related decision and thread here, btw.
Ok, I'm listening to the argument. At the opening, they're talking about the particularity of the warrant. I don't know why they're also not yet talking about whether the search terms are protected under the 4A; I don't think they are. Wait, I think Justice Hart may be asking.
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May 2
Recently filed CA9 appeal asks court to answer whether compelled biometric access is "testimonial" and therefore triggers the 5th Amendment privilege.
US v. Payne, 22-50262.

This one has a clear answer: No.

Thread below.

drive.google.com/file/d/1XU4rER… #N Image
In the case, officers took Payne's hand, "grabbed [his] thumb and unlocked the phone." I read that to mean that they took his thumb and placed in on the biometric reader. Later, the officer asked/ordered him to give the code to not have to use the thumb every time. Image
As I read the brief, the only 5A issue is whether placing Payne's thumb on the reader was testimonial. Image
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May 2
To explain the "lol," we have been having many conversations recently about the role of novel constitutional arguments to achieve policy goals. During the Trump era, the Trump admin's reliance on such arguments to get what it wanted was a subject of much-deserved criticism. /1
I found the story amusing b/c at least some Biden admin aides seem to now like that strategy. I guess it's inevitable that executive branches will at least toy with novel theories to get out of a jam; there are obvious political reasons to do that. /2
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Apr 30
Keep returning in my mind to this 8th Circuit 4th Amendment case from yesterday, US v. Forjan. Three judges each went different ways, ultimately affirming the conviction 2-1 but on different grounds. Let's take a look.

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ecf.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/23/04/2…
Quick facts: This is a drug case with narcotics officers watching a trailer they suspect is being used to distribute meth. An officer decides to investigate by conducting pretextual traffic stops of cars leaving the trailer.
That is, look for traffic violations, pull over cars based on that, even though you're really looking for drugs. The Supreme Court says this is basically fine, but you need to find that traffic violation first.
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Apr 6
A number of efforts at social change seem to implicate the question of whether, if you take an existing institution that has current influence because of its prestige or history, and change the institution, that institution will continue to have influence or will lose it.
BTW, I was thinking about this in two totally unrelated contexts.

1) Not about social change, but still interesting: Elon Musk wants to charge for a blue check on the theory that blue checks are prestigious and therefore people will pay for them.
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