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Dutch quality newspaper @nrc just published an opinion stating that electric vehicles (EVs) emit more CO2 than they save.

That is not correct.
EVs emit about 3x less.
I research this at the @TUeindhoven.

Let me explain the mistakes in the opinion piece.
nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/05… Image
The piece replaces numbers by 3 bad rules of thumb:

1) Exception: EVs bought by people who drive little.

2) Minimal impact: EV production emits CO2 sooner than it saves CO2.

3) Error: EVs drive on fossil fuel while the mix is not 100% green yet.
1) Exception: EVs bought by people who drive little.

This is true. An EV earns back it's extra emissions during it's first 30k km's or so. So if you e.g. drive 5k km per year: drive your old car as long as possible. Image
However, most people who buy a new car, especially an EV, drive a lot.

The low mileage drivers, while theoretically interesting, are irrelevant for the large majority of buyers.

So while the argument is true, actual calculations would show it's largely irrelevant.
2) Minimal impact: EV production emits CO2 sooner than it saves CO2.

Again, calculations can help. Because contrary to what Gert Huizing writes in @nrc, the first thing you should ask yourself is: *how* bad is it when we emit CO2 5 years faster? Image
CO2 stays in the atmosphere for many centuries.
Focusing on the fist 5 years is like focusing on the first 400 meter of the marathon.

Buying a different car because it is faster on the first 400m is bad advice when you must drive a marathon.

Numbers would show ~1% extra impact.
3) Error: EVs drive on fossil fuel while the mix is not 100% green yet.

Especially people schooled in classic experiments make this error. The problem is that you assume everything stays the same except for the EVs and then you say: we could have cut gas or coal without EVs. Image
I've written a long funny thread about it in the past:


Please read that first if I don't convince you here but in a nutshell: using this approach you can argue that every electric appliance drives on coal because you would save coal if you turn it off.
It is often used to argue that heat pumps and EVs are extra bad but somehow never to argue that inefficient freezers or industrial processes are extra bad.

You can use this approach to make EVERY demand run on coal by saying: look what happens if THIS demand goes away!
And even if it where true (which it isn't) you should take time of use into account. EVs mainly charge during the night when the amount of wind is high. Still apart from the fact that many EV drivers (and all public chargers) buy green electricity.
So he uses two numerically irrelevant rules of thumb and then adds an error to argue that you can tell an EV is worse without number crunching.

I am very glad most policy maker don't go with gut feeling and erroneous assumptions like Gert Huizing does here.
The correct approach is to take an average EV driver, the calibrated CO2 effect, and the average electricity mix (or the actual mix on an hourly basis).

If you are able to make those calculations you find EVs emit about 30% of CO2 in 2023.
Powerful addition: the ETS system in the EU puts an emission ceiling in place.

Simply put: if your EV uses extra electricity, CO2 prices will force the market to replace coal with low carbon electricity for the consumption of your EV.

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May 7
Mass blocking is another form of cancel culture.
Please don't ruin twitter by going along with it.

I myself have been blocked by many on the left and right. Often for "spreading FUD about climate change".

But look at my timeline and job yourself:
I devote my life to this stuff!
I've been blocked for saying extreme scenarios are less likely (e.g. by @KHayhoe after saying that of RCP8.5) and I'm probably still on the blocklist she hands out like candy.

But also for saying climate change is real and urgent. Or for advocating for less meat eating.
You might think twitter is full of "nazi's" or "sexists" or "snowflakes" or "idiots" but we are not going to solve our problems and overcome the increasing polarization in our society by refusing to talk to those we disagree with.
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Just a reminder that @JohnLeePettim13 is popular in doomer circles with his "I know mining" vibe, predicting renewables can never work.

But so far all his claims of what we are running out of are only supporting by his imagination and cool profile pic instead of good research.
To predict bottlenecks you must research 3 things:

1) How fast mining can grow: "The best cure for high prices is high prices" as they say in mining.

2) How reserves are developing: we usually find more continuously.)

3) How we can substitute: that's key!
Now unlike @JohnLeePettim13 I don't claim to be an expert on this, but I clearly researched it more thoroughly and here's a thread debunking this nonsense.


@visaskn also debunks nonsense like this and @stepien_przemek knows how to research it too.
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May 1
A lot of people have discovered we have alternatives for all battery materials and that we are not running out of them anyway.

So I increasingly hear people about COPPER.

But the idea that we don't have enough copper for the transition to renewables is a misunderstanding.
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First of all: if you want to know what you are talking about, familiarize yourself with THE source of information on mineral availability, the @USGS.

Bookmark the tab if you have to because they will be useful year after year after year.
pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mc…
If you drill down in their website you get to an overview of all commodities.
usgs.gov/centers/nation…

And if you drill down further you get to an overview page for copper with information for all years.
usgs.gov/centers/nation… Image
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May 1
This 2022 article can't be recommended enough.
And not because they cite me, although 😍
It convinvingly shows that learning in renewable technology is high.
This means quick adoption leads to sliding down the learning curve faster, which actually SAVES money.
Some good heuristics:
1) How mature (=close to 100% adoption) is the tech?
Less mature means more room for growth.

E.g. expect faster results from self driving, solar, floating wind, and batteries than from Uber, hydro, fracking, or combustion engines.
2) How granular is the technology? Do you need to produce it in very large chunks, or can you learn in small steps?

E.g. expect faster results from solar panels and battery cells than from nuclear (fusion and fission), coal, or oil.
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Apr 24
Dutch newspaper @nrc @nrcwetenschap claiming it takes 100k km before an EV has earned back its CO2 emissions. In reality it's closer to 25k.

They base themselves on an old, conservative, and unrealistic study by @PolestarCars and @volvocars.
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nrc.nl/nieuws/2023/04… Image
The @PolestarCars comparison used by @nrc was well meaning but has been endlessly misused by EV critics. See e.g. here:
I explain the details of why the Polestar study produces an incorrect number in this thread but the main reason is they assume the "official" (NEDC) energy use of the Volvo instead of the realistic (e.g. EPA) energy use.
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Mar 28
New article rants against private electric vehicles being unjust.

The unscientific fervor to simplify things makes me sad.

1) I'm in favor of shifting from private cars to shared mobility (esp. in cities).

2) I'm in favor of shifting from fossil fuel to electric.

Both!
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First, some nice facts on electric mobility. In 2023 it emits about 30% CO2 over its lifetime compared to fossil fuel cars, and in 2050, that will be less than 10% and going down.
Land use of battery mining is less than 0.01% of habitable land.
See my pinned thread for research.
For me, facts like that are non-negotiable in science. I don't care which "bubble" I am in: facts are facts until you come up with better ones.

And if we want to stay within planetary boundaries, these facts are important.
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