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Debunking Melanie Adele Martinez's sexual assault allegations made by former friend Timothy Lauren Heller: A thread
Content Warning - Trigger Warning: This thread contains delicate topics such as sexual assault, sexual abuse, sexual violence, sexual trauma and rape.
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Debunking Melanie Adele Martinez's sexual assault allegations made by former friend Timothy Lauren Heller: A thread
Content Warning - Trigger Warning: This thread contains delicate topics such as sexual assault, sexual abuse, sexual violence, sexual trauma and rape.
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Be cautious and be safe. Prioritize your mental health. You should only read this thread if you feel comfortable. All of the topics covered in this thread are public information that is already available online and I condemn any act of stalking and public harassment.
Be cautious and be safe. Prioritize your mental health. You should only read this thread if you feel comfortable. All of the topics covered in this thread are public information that is already available online and I condemn any act of stalking and public harassment.
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Disclaimer: Be respectful. Please do not send any hate to Melanie Martinez, Timothy Heller or anyone else mentioned in this thread. The main goal of this thread is to disprove the Melanie Martinez’s sexual assault allegations, as well as clearing up some misconceptions.
Disclaimer: Be respectful. Please do not send any hate to Melanie Martinez, Timothy Heller or anyone else mentioned in this thread. The main goal of this thread is to disprove the Melanie Martinez’s sexual assault allegations, as well as clearing up some misconceptions.
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Remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and bringing forth their own ideas and beliefs. I can't force you to believe in something that you don't want to believe. Due to safety / privacy reasons I will disable the comments of this thread before posting it.
Remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and bringing forth their own ideas and beliefs. I can't force you to believe in something that you don't want to believe. Due to safety / privacy reasons I will disable the comments of this thread before posting it.
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Another Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I am not a doctor. I am not a psychologist. I am not a psychiatrist. This thread was made for educational purposes only. All of my arguments contain their respective sources. Look at the evidence presented and form your own opinion.
Another Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I am not a doctor. I am not a psychologist. I am not a psychiatrist. This thread was made for educational purposes only. All of my arguments contain their respective sources. Look at the evidence presented and form your own opinion.
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All credits go to the rightful owners of the copyrighted material. I am not the owner of any piece of the multimedia content presented in this thread. This includes graphic image files, audio files, video clips and texts. This thread falls under Twitter’s fair use policy.
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This master thread consists of 2 parts:
(10/140) Part One covers the story, the accusations, the pieces of evidence found and the general timeline of events
(85/140) Part Two covers some misconceptions and rumors people have regarding Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller
This master thread consists of 2 parts:
(10/140) Part One covers the story, the accusations, the pieces of evidence found and the general timeline of events
(85/140) Part Two covers some misconceptions and rumors people have regarding Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller
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Part One: Addressing the Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller accusations, the pieces of evidence found and the general timeline of events
Part One: Addressing the Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller accusations, the pieces of evidence found and the general timeline of events
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On December 4th, 2017 Timothy Lauren Heller accused former friend and singer Melanie Adele Martinez of sexual assault during a two-night sleepover they had together via Twitter. Pause to read:
Source [Broken Link]:
Archive:
On December 4th, 2017 Timothy Lauren Heller accused former friend and singer Melanie Adele Martinez of sexual assault during a two-night sleepover they had together via Twitter. Pause to read:
Source [Broken Link]:
https://www.twitter.com/timethyheller/status/937817806216691713
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170701000000*/www.twitter.com/timethyheller/status/937817806216691713
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Timothy corroborated her statements by providing two pieces of evidence: The first piece of evidence she gave was a pic of Melanie during the alleged sleepover. The photo was later sent to Newsweek and then released as part of an interview
Link: newsweek.com/melanie-martin…
Timothy corroborated her statements by providing two pieces of evidence: The first piece of evidence she gave was a pic of Melanie during the alleged sleepover. The photo was later sent to Newsweek and then released as part of an interview
Link: newsweek.com/melanie-martin…
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The second and final evidence Timothy provided was a video of her iCloud she posted on a now deleted tweet on December 30th, 2017. We will talk about the pieces of evidence later but now we will address Melanie’s statements
Source [Broken Link]:
The second and final evidence Timothy provided was a video of her iCloud she posted on a now deleted tweet on December 30th, 2017. We will talk about the pieces of evidence later but now we will address Melanie’s statements
Source [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/timethyheller/status/947195741914591232
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In the late hours of the night of December 4th, 2017 Melanie Martinez released her first official statement denying Timothy Heller’s accusations of sexual assault. Pause to read:
Source [Broken Link]:
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In the late hours of the night of December 4th, 2017 Melanie Martinez released her first official statement denying Timothy Heller’s accusations of sexual assault. Pause to read:
Source [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBH/status/937949003777372162
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170801000000*/https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBH/status/937949003777372162
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Timothy supporters misquote Melanie’s statement as “she never said no” instead of quoting her full statement which was “she never said no to what we chose to do together.”
“She never said no to what we chose to do together” is a direct response to Timothy's statement:
Timothy supporters misquote Melanie’s statement as “she never said no” instead of quoting her full statement which was “she never said no to what we chose to do together.”
“She never said no to what we chose to do together” is a direct response to Timothy's statement:
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Melanie Martinez: “She never said no to what we chose to do together.”
Melanie: “She never said no-”
Timothy Heller: “I repeatedly said no.”
Melanie is denying her statement
Melanie: “-to what we chose to do together.”
The verb "chose" indicates and expresses consent
Melanie Martinez: “She never said no to what we chose to do together.”
Melanie: “She never said no-”
Timothy Heller: “I repeatedly said no.”
Melanie is denying her statement
Melanie: “-to what we chose to do together.”
The verb "chose" indicates and expresses consent
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Melanie released a second official statement on Dec 9th 2017 where she reaffirms her initial statement by stating “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent.”
Source [Broken Link]:
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Melanie released a second official statement on Dec 9th 2017 where she reaffirms her initial statement by stating “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent.”
Source [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/melanielbbh/status/939706275515981824
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171212001727/https://twitter.com/melanielbbh/status/939706275515981824
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Despite Melanie stating “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent”, people still quote her statement as “she never said no” instead of “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent.”
Despite Melanie stating “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent”, people still quote her statement as “she never said no” instead of “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent.”
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Because the quote “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent” doesn’t help them to push the narrative of Melanie being a self-admitted rapist. Melanie stated that they engaged in consensual sex but never stated a specific date. Put a pin on that
Because the quote “I would never be intimate with someone without their absolute consent” doesn’t help them to push the narrative of Melanie being a self-admitted rapist. Melanie stated that they engaged in consensual sex but never stated a specific date. Put a pin on that
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Melanie released a third and final statement on Dec 22nd, 2017 by releasing a song called “Piggyback.” For brevity purposes I won’t go into details here but you can find an explanation of the song in part two of this thread. Let's continue by looking at Timothy's evidence
Melanie released a third and final statement on Dec 22nd, 2017 by releasing a song called “Piggyback.” For brevity purposes I won’t go into details here but you can find an explanation of the song in part two of this thread. Let's continue by looking at Timothy's evidence
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On December 5th, 2017 Timothy Heller had an interview with Newsweek regarding the allegations. The Newsweek article was written by Emily Gaudette. Read in full before continuing reading this thread
Link: newsweek.com/melanie-martin…
On December 5th, 2017 Timothy Heller had an interview with Newsweek regarding the allegations. The Newsweek article was written by Emily Gaudette. Read in full before continuing reading this thread
Link: newsweek.com/melanie-martin…
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This is the alleged timeline of events presented by Timothy Heller in the Newsweek article:
The night of June 24th, 2015: The night of the 1st sleepover
The night of June 25th, 2015: The night of the 2nd sleepover
The day of June 26th, 2016: The day after the sleepover
This is the alleged timeline of events presented by Timothy Heller in the Newsweek article:
The night of June 24th, 2015: The night of the 1st sleepover
The night of June 25th, 2015: The night of the 2nd sleepover
The day of June 26th, 2016: The day after the sleepover
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The 1st piece of evidence Timothy provided was this pic used in the Newsweek article with the caption: “Martinez on the night in question in 2015, allegedly playing the sexual game Heller says she took way too seriously.”
The night of the sleepover being June 25th, 2015
The 1st piece of evidence Timothy provided was this pic used in the Newsweek article with the caption: “Martinez on the night in question in 2015, allegedly playing the sexual game Heller says she took way too seriously.”
The night of the sleepover being June 25th, 2015
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This is supposed to be a never seen before photo but you can find a re-upload of the image from Feb. 2017. And that’s because Timothy liked to take Snapchat stories when she used to spend time with Melanie.
Link: instagram.com/p/BQs0tYbDXhF/
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
This is supposed to be a never seen before photo but you can find a re-upload of the image from Feb. 2017. And that’s because Timothy liked to take Snapchat stories when she used to spend time with Melanie.
Link: instagram.com/p/BQs0tYbDXhF/
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
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The photo of Melanie in handcuffs was taken on May 6th, 2015. Then it was uploaded by Timothy via Snapchat and later saved online. Video proof of allsoulsineachpart’s IG post confirming that the photo was uploaded on February, 2017:
Source: allsoulsineachpart on Instagram
The photo of Melanie in handcuffs was taken on May 6th, 2015. Then it was uploaded by Timothy via Snapchat and later saved online. Video proof of allsoulsineachpart’s IG post confirming that the photo was uploaded on February, 2017:
Source: allsoulsineachpart on Instagram
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The game Melanie and Timothy were playing is called “Valentine’s Day Lover’s Kit.” The description of the game reads: “One wears the blindfold while the other rolls the dice to reveal the action of love.” The game was not mentioned / referenced in Timothy's original letter
The game Melanie and Timothy were playing is called “Valentine’s Day Lover’s Kit.” The description of the game reads: “One wears the blindfold while the other rolls the dice to reveal the action of love.” The game was not mentioned / referenced in Timothy's original letter
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Some people speculate that the part in Timothy’s statement where Melanie kept asking for permission to touch Timothy’s body parts such as her arms happened while they were playing the Lover’s Kit game. This paragraph is just an observation and should not be taken as a fact
Some people speculate that the part in Timothy’s statement where Melanie kept asking for permission to touch Timothy’s body parts such as her arms happened while they were playing the Lover’s Kit game. This paragraph is just an observation and should not be taken as a fact
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There is not a solid confirmation who had the idea of buying and playing the game, since on the Newsweek article Timothy said it was Melanie’s idea while on another interview Timothy said it was her own idea.
Link:
Archive:
There is not a solid confirmation who had the idea of buying and playing the game, since on the Newsweek article Timothy said it was Melanie’s idea while on another interview Timothy said it was her own idea.
Link:
Archive:
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In Timothy's original letter she stated that the incident happened in bed, but in the article she stated that the incident happened while playing the game. Fans have also made photo comparisons between the picture taken and Timothy’s camera roll which I will discuss later
In Timothy's original letter she stated that the incident happened in bed, but in the article she stated that the incident happened while playing the game. Fans have also made photo comparisons between the picture taken and Timothy’s camera roll which I will discuss later
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We can also confirm that the picture was taken on May 6th 2015 based on Melanie’s hair color throughout social media posts around that time:
• Picture 1: Photo posted on April 28, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo Posted on May 6 ,2015
We can also confirm that the picture was taken on May 6th 2015 based on Melanie’s hair color throughout social media posts around that time:
• Picture 1: Photo posted on April 28, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo Posted on May 6 ,2015
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• Picture 1: Photo posted on May 12, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo posted on May 19, 2015
• Picture 1: Photo posted on May 12, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo posted on May 19, 2015
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• Picture 1: Photo posted on May 21, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo posted on May 26, 2015
• Picture 1: Photo posted on May 21, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo posted on May 26, 2015
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• Melanie Martinez “Pity Party” Streaming Party: June 1st, 2015
• Melanie Martinez “Pity Party” Streaming Party: June 1st, 2015
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• Picture 1: Photo posted on June 16, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo posted on June 20, 2015
• Picture 3: Photo posted on June 21, 2015
• Picture 1: Photo posted on June 16, 2015
• Picture 2: Photo posted on June 20, 2015
• Picture 3: Photo posted on June 21, 2015
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All of this leads us to the morning of June 25, 2015 when Melanie posted a picture in New York at 9:44am eastern standard time with the caption:
💘💘goin home to LA💘💘
With dis weave and a cookie on my head
🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪 🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴
Source: littlebodybigheart on Instagram
All of this leads us to the morning of June 25, 2015 when Melanie posted a picture in New York at 9:44am eastern standard time with the caption:
💘💘goin home to LA💘💘
With dis weave and a cookie on my head
🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪 🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴
Source: littlebodybigheart on Instagram
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Melanie was on tour at the time. The tour ended on June 21, 2015 but she stayed in New York for a couple of days because she was born in NYC and probably visited some relatives after the tour ended. Here's a video of Melanie performing at The Webster Hall on June 21, 2015
Melanie was on tour at the time. The tour ended on June 21, 2015 but she stayed in New York for a couple of days because she was born in NYC and probably visited some relatives after the tour ended. Here's a video of Melanie performing at The Webster Hall on June 21, 2015
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Melanie couldn’t had stayed at a sleepover in Los Angeles, California on June, 25 2015 because she was in New York on the exact same day. Remember that Timothy said that the sleepover lasted for 2 consecutive days which is impossible
“I said no. For TWO NIGHTS STRAIGHT.”
Melanie couldn’t had stayed at a sleepover in Los Angeles, California on June, 25 2015 because she was in New York on the exact same day. Remember that Timothy said that the sleepover lasted for 2 consecutive days which is impossible
“I said no. For TWO NIGHTS STRAIGHT.”
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Also keep in mind that Timothy gave the dates of June 24th and June 25th the day after Melanie released her first statement, which means that Melanie did not acknowledge Timothy’s dates as the correct dates in which the sleepover took place.
Also keep in mind that Timothy gave the dates of June 24th and June 25th the day after Melanie released her first statement, which means that Melanie did not acknowledge Timothy’s dates as the correct dates in which the sleepover took place.
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Timothy and Melanie had several sleepovers over 2015 and Melanie couldn’t have possibly known which sleepover Timothy was referring to because Timothy combined three different sleepovers and tried to present it all of them as one sleepover.
Timothy and Melanie had several sleepovers over 2015 and Melanie couldn’t have possibly known which sleepover Timothy was referring to because Timothy combined three different sleepovers and tried to present it all of them as one sleepover.
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• First photo: First sleepover (May 6th, 2015)
• Second photo: Second sleepover (June 26th, 2015)
• Third photo: Third sleepover (October 19th, 2015)
• First photo: First sleepover (May 6th, 2015)
• Second photo: Second sleepover (June 26th, 2015)
• Third photo: Third sleepover (October 19th, 2015)
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On December 8th 2017, Timothy Heller did and Instagram live addressing the dates contradictions:
Source: timothyheller on instagram
On December 8th 2017, Timothy Heller did and Instagram live addressing the dates contradictions:
Source: timothyheller on instagram
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Timothy Heller wants people to believe that these two pictures were taken in just a span of one day: Being the first pic taking place on June 24th, 2015 (photo taken on May 6th, 2015) and the second pic transpiring on June 25th, 2015 (photo taken on June 26th, 2015).
Timothy Heller wants people to believe that these two pictures were taken in just a span of one day: Being the first pic taking place on June 24th, 2015 (photo taken on May 6th, 2015) and the second pic transpiring on June 25th, 2015 (photo taken on June 26th, 2015).
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In a nutshell:
Timothy Heller’s argument: These two pictures were taken over the span of one day.
vs.
Melanie Martinez’s argument: These twelve pictures were taken over the span of two and a half months.
In a nutshell:
Timothy Heller’s argument: These two pictures were taken over the span of one day.
vs.
Melanie Martinez’s argument: These twelve pictures were taken over the span of two and a half months.
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To end this section, when Timothy was asked during an interview about Melanie’s hair color during the sleepover, she gave a contradictory response. Most likely because people can have a better understanding of the timeline by knowing Melanie's hair color
To end this section, when Timothy was asked during an interview about Melanie’s hair color during the sleepover, she gave a contradictory response. Most likely because people can have a better understanding of the timeline by knowing Melanie's hair color
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The second and final piece of evidence Timothy gave was an iCloud video she posted on Dec. 30th, 2017. We can confirm it's authentic thanks to a quoted reply
Source 1 [Broken Link]:
Source 2:
Archive:
The second and final piece of evidence Timothy gave was an iCloud video she posted on Dec. 30th, 2017. We can confirm it's authentic thanks to a quoted reply
Source 1 [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/timethyheller/status/947195741914591232
Source 2:
https://twitter.com/dolans40u/status/947715442369597440
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230508230612/https://twitter.com/dolans40u/status/947715442369597440
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Quote: Idk if I’m gonna regret posting this but I thought this might clear some things up. I start this video out showing that my iCloud photo is clearly fucked up. The pictures of me in the green wig are clearly not from 2011. The picture from that night then says May 6th
Quote: Idk if I’m gonna regret posting this but I thought this might clear some things up. I start this video out showing that my iCloud photo is clearly fucked up. The pictures of me in the green wig are clearly not from 2011. The picture from that night then says May 6th
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Timothy stated in the deleted tweet that she gave the wrong dates because her iCloud was messed up but I will explain in a second why her iCloud was working just fine.
Timothy stated in the deleted tweet that she gave the wrong dates because her iCloud was messed up but I will explain in a second why her iCloud was working just fine.
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For example, you can see in the video that she has a photo of a pool party saved on June 24th, 2015. But in reality, the pool party happened on June 21st, 2015 and she just saved the photo on June 24th, 2015
Source: instagram.com/p/4NLQTLNyTX/
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
For example, you can see in the video that she has a photo of a pool party saved on June 24th, 2015. But in reality, the pool party happened on June 21st, 2015 and she just saved the photo on June 24th, 2015
Source: instagram.com/p/4NLQTLNyTX/
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
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Video proof of Rob Sheridan’s Instagram post, confirming that the photo at the pool party was originally taken on June 21st, 2015:
Source: rob_sheridan on Instagram
Video proof of Rob Sheridan’s Instagram post, confirming that the photo at the pool party was originally taken on June 21st, 2015:
Source: rob_sheridan on Instagram
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Timothy stands by her statements, stating that the sleepover happened between the dates of June 24th, 2015 to June 25th, 2015. Nevertheless, her iCloud video and other posts from social media prove otherwise.
Link:
Archive:
Timothy stands by her statements, stating that the sleepover happened between the dates of June 24th, 2015 to June 25th, 2015. Nevertheless, her iCloud video and other posts from social media prove otherwise.
Link:
https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBHita/status/614796709714075650
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBHita/status/614796709714075650
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The reason why the date of the last tweet says June 27th, 2015 is because the author of the tweet lives in Italy and posted the images once Timothy’s Snapchat deleted her posts. Here’s another pic of them from June 26th, 2015
Source [Broken Link]:
The reason why the date of the last tweet says June 27th, 2015 is because the author of the tweet lives in Italy and posted the images once Timothy’s Snapchat deleted her posts. Here’s another pic of them from June 26th, 2015
Source [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/timethyheller/status/615383301474222081
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The tweet was originally posted on June 28th, 2015 but thanks to Timothy’s iCloud video she posted on December 30th, 2017 we can confirm that the picture was originally taken on June 26th, 2015
Source [Broken Link]:
The tweet was originally posted on June 28th, 2015 but thanks to Timothy’s iCloud video she posted on December 30th, 2017 we can confirm that the picture was originally taken on June 26th, 2015
Source [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/timethyheller/status/615383301474222081
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We know that the other person in the mirror next to Timothy is Melanie because she has a tattoo of a blonde lady holding an apple juice box on her right shoulder.
Melanie Martinez Shares The Stories Behind Her Coolest Tattoos
We know that the other person in the mirror next to Timothy is Melanie because she has a tattoo of a blonde lady holding an apple juice box on her right shoulder.
Melanie Martinez Shares The Stories Behind Her Coolest Tattoos
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The link of the original tweet is now broken but you can tell by the quoted replies that this tweet was real. They also pointed out the inconsistency surrounding Melanie’s hair which we discussed earlier.
Link:
Archive:
The link of the original tweet is now broken but you can tell by the quoted replies that this tweet was real. They also pointed out the inconsistency surrounding Melanie’s hair which we discussed earlier.
Link:
https://twitter.com/xmeowmeowwoofx/status/938804267644747777
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230508222540/https://twitter.com/xmeowmeowwoofx/status/938804267644747777
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Trigger Warning: Consumption of cannabis and date-rape drugs
The next portion of the thread will go into detail about the consumption of cannabis and the role of marijuana in sexual assault. Reader discretion is advised. I won’t go into explicit details but stay safe 🤍
Trigger Warning: Consumption of cannabis and date-rape drugs
The next portion of the thread will go into detail about the consumption of cannabis and the role of marijuana in sexual assault. Reader discretion is advised. I won’t go into explicit details but stay safe 🤍
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If you don’t feel comfortable reading this section I understand. You can skip to 66/140 which will the next section of part one: The general timeline of events. It’s not necessary for you to read this section if you don’t want to, it’s just to add more context
If you don’t feel comfortable reading this section I understand. You can skip to 66/140 which will the next section of part one: The general timeline of events. It’s not necessary for you to read this section if you don’t want to, it’s just to add more context
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Disclaimer: While there are several scientific studies with different methodologies used that either support or dismiss the idea that cannabis should be consider a date-rape drug, this section of the thread was not made with the intention of giving a clear answer to this.
Disclaimer: While there are several scientific studies with different methodologies used that either support or dismiss the idea that cannabis should be consider a date-rape drug, this section of the thread was not made with the intention of giving a clear answer to this.
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This section of the thread is to provide additional context as to how Timothy Heller and Melanie Martinez became familiarized with the psychoactive drug and describe the role cannabis had during their friendship since both of them consume the drug for recreational purposes
This section of the thread is to provide additional context as to how Timothy Heller and Melanie Martinez became familiarized with the psychoactive drug and describe the role cannabis had during their friendship since both of them consume the drug for recreational purposes
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On November 25th, 2015 andPOP did an interview with Melanie where they talk about her childhood and other topics. The original video has been deleted but luckily someone re-uploaded the interview on YouTube.
Link:
Archive:
On November 25th, 2015 andPOP did an interview with Melanie where they talk about her childhood and other topics. The original video has been deleted but luckily someone re-uploaded the interview on YouTube.
Link:
Archive:
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When asked about the first time she smoked weed Melanie answered with the following: “I was with my friend in her boyfriend’s room and she had like a bong in his room. And I was like "I don't know." And I just smoked weed. I just tried it and I never had tried it before.”
When asked about the first time she smoked weed Melanie answered with the following: “I was with my friend in her boyfriend’s room and she had like a bong in his room. And I was like "I don't know." And I just smoked weed. I just tried it and I never had tried it before.”
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Fans believe that Timothy was the friend Melanie was referring to during the interview because of these old Vine videos. Timothy was also wearing the Mickey hat she wore when she went to Disney Land with Melanie. This is just an observation and shouldn't be taken as a fact
Fans believe that Timothy was the friend Melanie was referring to during the interview because of these old Vine videos. Timothy was also wearing the Mickey hat she wore when she went to Disney Land with Melanie. This is just an observation and shouldn't be taken as a fact
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Regardless if Timothy was the one who introduced Melanie into smoking weed or not, smoking weed was a common activity they did together so it’s unlikely Timothy was pressured into smoking. In the article Timothy states that she and Melanie used to smoke all day during tour
Regardless if Timothy was the one who introduced Melanie into smoking weed or not, smoking weed was a common activity they did together so it’s unlikely Timothy was pressured into smoking. In the article Timothy states that she and Melanie used to smoke all day during tour
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People also argue that Timothy couldn't had been pressured into smoking weed during the sleepover because Timothy comes from Oregon, a state where the residents are more receptive of people smoking weed compared to the state of New York where Melanie was born but I digress
People also argue that Timothy couldn't had been pressured into smoking weed during the sleepover because Timothy comes from Oregon, a state where the residents are more receptive of people smoking weed compared to the state of New York where Melanie was born but I digress
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Please remember that cannabis can become addictive if the person develops a drug dependence. According to the CDC (2020), people who use cannabis have about a 10% likelihood of becoming addicted. The consumption of cannabis is fine as long as it is consumed in moderation.
Please remember that cannabis can become addictive if the person develops a drug dependence. According to the CDC (2020), people who use cannabis have about a 10% likelihood of becoming addicted. The consumption of cannabis is fine as long as it is consumed in moderation.
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If you need help recovering from an addiction: The American Addiction Centers (AAC) is the leading provider for addiction treatment nationwide which specializes in evidence-based treatment / mental healthcare services
Call (866) 820-7535 or visit
americanaddictioncenters.org
If you need help recovering from an addiction: The American Addiction Centers (AAC) is the leading provider for addiction treatment nationwide which specializes in evidence-based treatment / mental healthcare services
Call (866) 820-7535 or visit
americanaddictioncenters.org
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Trigger Warning: Sexual Trauma
The next portion of this thread will go into detail about the timeline of events. This section may contain information that may not be suitable for all readers. Reader discretion is advised. I won’t go into explicit details but stay safe 💙
Trigger Warning: Sexual Trauma
The next portion of this thread will go into detail about the timeline of events. This section may contain information that may not be suitable for all readers. Reader discretion is advised. I won’t go into explicit details but stay safe 💙
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If you don’t feel comfortable reading this section I understand. You can skip to 85/140 which will cover part two of the thread: The misconceptions surrounding the case. It’s not necessary for you to read this section if you don’t want to, it’s just to add more context
If you don’t feel comfortable reading this section I understand. You can skip to 85/140 which will cover part two of the thread: The misconceptions surrounding the case. It’s not necessary for you to read this section if you don’t want to, it’s just to add more context
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Timothy and Melanie became friends around early 2014, a couple of months before The Dollhouse Tour where Timothy’s former band “Dresses” played as the opening act (June, 2014)
Source 1 [Broken Link]: ask.fm/a/cc512871
Source 2 [Broken Link]:
Timothy and Melanie became friends around early 2014, a couple of months before The Dollhouse Tour where Timothy’s former band “Dresses” played as the opening act (June, 2014)
Source 1 [Broken Link]: ask.fm/a/cc512871
Source 2 [Broken Link]:
https://twitter.com/timethyheller/status/636670524383457280
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It's unclear when Melanie and Timothy stopped being friends but the most likely explanation would be that they stopped being friends in early 2017. You can see Timothy's curious cat confirming that they were still friends in 2017.
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
It's unclear when Melanie and Timothy stopped being friends but the most likely explanation would be that they stopped being friends in early 2017. You can see Timothy's curious cat confirming that they were still friends in 2017.
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
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Melanie stopped being friends with Timothy following the advice of her personal healer called Raven around February - March 2017, who told Melanie to cut people out of her life and focus on her career.
Link:
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2017042121…
Melanie stopped being friends with Timothy following the advice of her personal healer called Raven around February - March 2017, who told Melanie to cut people out of her life and focus on her career.
Link:
https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBH/status/847540916885880834
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2017042121…
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The reason why Timothy lied about stop being friends with Melanie in 2016 was not because of trauma, but because by telling people she stopped being friends with Melanie for years and distancing herself from Melanie she attempted to make her statements seem more believable
The reason why Timothy lied about stop being friends with Melanie in 2016 was not because of trauma, but because by telling people she stopped being friends with Melanie for years and distancing herself from Melanie she attempted to make her statements seem more believable
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Timothy supporters will attack you for pointing this out. But please keep in mind that unlike most cases of abuse, Melanie had no power over Timothy. There was no power imbalance / power dynamics in their relationship. Melanie had neither control or possession over Timothy
Timothy supporters will attack you for pointing this out. But please keep in mind that unlike most cases of abuse, Melanie had no power over Timothy. There was no power imbalance / power dynamics in their relationship. Melanie had neither control or possession over Timothy
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Timothy and Melanie were on speaking terms up until November, 2017 just weeks before Timothy released her statements. I won’t go into further detail out of respect but please remember that staying friends with people who abused you doesn’t make you guilty by any means.
Timothy and Melanie were on speaking terms up until November, 2017 just weeks before Timothy released her statements. I won’t go into further detail out of respect but please remember that staying friends with people who abused you doesn’t make you guilty by any means.
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Here you have some examples which demonstrate that Melanie and Timothy were still on speaking terms for years after June, 2015:
Here you have some examples which demonstrate that Melanie and Timothy were still on speaking terms for years after June, 2015:
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• On August 14, 2015 Timothy congratulated Melanie for the release of the Cry Baby Album.
Source: timothyheller on Instagram
• On August 14, 2015 Timothy congratulated Melanie for the release of the Cry Baby Album.
Source: timothyheller on Instagram
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What Timothy was referring to in her IG post was this video of them singing together. We can tell by Melanie's dress and make-up that this video was likely filmed the day of June 26th, 2015 because that was the day Timothy and Melanie meet-up after The Cry Baby tour ended
What Timothy was referring to in her IG post was this video of them singing together. We can tell by Melanie's dress and make-up that this video was likely filmed the day of June 26th, 2015 because that was the day Timothy and Melanie meet-up after The Cry Baby tour ended
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You can find the archive when Timothy and Melanie meet-up. Remember that the date of the tweet says June 27th 2015 because the author of the tweet lives in Italy and uploaded the image once Snapchat deleted it
Link:
Archive:
You can find the archive when Timothy and Melanie meet-up. Remember that the date of the tweet says June 27th 2015 because the author of the tweet lives in Italy and uploaded the image once Snapchat deleted it
Link:
https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBHita/status/614669799759736832
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230508081519/https://twitter.com/MelanieLBBHita/status/614669799759736832
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• On November 8, 2015 Melanie and Timothy went to a toy museum together.
Source: littlebodybigheart on Instagram
• On November 8, 2015 Melanie and Timothy went to a toy museum together.
Source: littlebodybigheart on Instagram
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• On April, 2016 both Melanie and Timothy dressed up as the Cry Baby character during The Cry Baby Tour Part 2 and posted photos on their respective Instagram pages.
Source: littlebodybigheart and timothyheller on Instagram
• On April, 2016 both Melanie and Timothy dressed up as the Cry Baby character during The Cry Baby Tour Part 2 and posted photos on their respective Instagram pages.
Source: littlebodybigheart and timothyheller on Instagram
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• On March 2017, Timothy answered some questions via Curious Cat, stating that she and Melanie were still on speaking terms.
Source: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
• On March 2017, Timothy answered some questions via Curious Cat, stating that she and Melanie were still on speaking terms.
Source: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
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• On September, 2017 Timothy Heller liked Michael Keenan’s repost of the Mad Hatter music video.
Source: michaelkeenan on Instagram
• On September, 2017 Timothy Heller liked Michael Keenan’s repost of the Mad Hatter music video.
Source: michaelkeenan on Instagram
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• Video proof of Timothy Heller liking Michael Keenan’s repost of the Mad Hatter music video.
Source: CryBabyFreed on Twitter
• Video proof of Timothy Heller liking Michael Keenan’s repost of the Mad Hatter music video.
Source: CryBabyFreed on Twitter
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• And on November, 2017 Timothy Heller tweeted the following: When u follow someone cuz they’re in “The Industry” and u want them to hear ur song but instead they slide in your DMs with heyy :)
Source: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
• And on November, 2017 Timothy Heller tweeted the following: When u follow someone cuz they’re in “The Industry” and u want them to hear ur song but instead they slide in your DMs with heyy :)
Source: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
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I want to reiterate the point I made earlier which is that staying friends with people who abused you doesn’t make you guilty by any means. You’re not alone. I’m going to leave the contact information of RAINN down here:
Call 800.656.4673 or visit
rainn.org/contact-us
I want to reiterate the point I made earlier which is that staying friends with people who abused you doesn’t make you guilty by any means. You’re not alone. I’m going to leave the contact information of RAINN down here:
Call 800.656.4673 or visit
rainn.org/contact-us
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Part Two: Addressing some misconceptions and rumors people have regarding Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller over the years
Part Two: Addressing some misconceptions and rumors people have regarding Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller over the years
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Misconception #1: “Timothy Heller had no support when she initially came out with her statement.”
The #MelanieMartinezIsOverParty was trending worldwide at #1 with over 1.2 million tweets with people burning Melanie's merch and sending her death threats / rape threats.
Misconception #1: “Timothy Heller had no support when she initially came out with her statement.”
The #MelanieMartinezIsOverParty was trending worldwide at #1 with over 1.2 million tweets with people burning Melanie's merch and sending her death threats / rape threats.
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They also doxed her old home address and were sending letters to her record label harassing them to end her contract. Timothy's original statement had almost 200K likes (screenshots found via wayback machine), so the argument that Timothy had no initial support is a lie.
They also doxed her old home address and were sending letters to her record label harassing them to end her contract. Timothy's original statement had almost 200K likes (screenshots found via wayback machine), so the argument that Timothy had no initial support is a lie.
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Misconception #2: “No news media covered the allegations when they surfaced.”
Multiple news media covered the topic back in 2017 such as CNN and CBS. Just to give a quick example, you can watch a Billboard video covering the subject matter here:
Misconception #2: “No news media covered the allegations when they surfaced.”
Multiple news media covered the topic back in 2017 such as CNN and CBS. Just to give a quick example, you can watch a Billboard video covering the subject matter here:
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Misconception #3: “Melanie made a diss track attacking Timothy Heller and she is making money out of all of this.”
“Piggyback” is Melanie’s third and final statement regarding the accusations to this day. I briefly mentioned this song in part one of this thread.
Misconception #3: “Melanie made a diss track attacking Timothy Heller and she is making money out of all of this.”
“Piggyback” is Melanie’s third and final statement regarding the accusations to this day. I briefly mentioned this song in part one of this thread.
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To summarize, the track was made with the sole purpose of clarifying the accusations and telling her side of the story. The song was only released in Soundclound and the site has the option to stop monetization of any song at any given time.
Link: soundcloud.com/melaniemartine…
To summarize, the track was made with the sole purpose of clarifying the accusations and telling her side of the story. The song was only released in Soundclound and the site has the option to stop monetization of any song at any given time.
Link: soundcloud.com/melaniemartine…
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Misconception #4: “Melanie deleted her original statements so that counts as an admission of guilt / confession.”
Melanie has a twitter bot which deletes all of her tweets one year later after posting.
Proof:
Link
Archive
Misconception #4: “Melanie deleted her original statements so that counts as an admission of guilt / confession.”
Melanie has a twitter bot which deletes all of her tweets one year later after posting.
Proof:
Link
https://twitter.com/LoveSupportMel/status/1047665559343714304
Archive
https://web.archive.org/web/20230506013323/https://twitter.com/LoveSupportMel/status/1047665559343714304
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Misconception #5: “Timothy copied her story from a sexual assault survivor.”
Timothy denied the rumors on a TikTok video that you can find on Misconception #18. Here is the story. Be cautious and be safe 🧡
Link: reddit.com/r/offmychest/c…
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2013011523…
Misconception #5: “Timothy copied her story from a sexual assault survivor.”
Timothy denied the rumors on a TikTok video that you can find on Misconception #18. Here is the story. Be cautious and be safe 🧡
Link: reddit.com/r/offmychest/c…
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2013011523…
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Misconception #6: “Melanie has been accused of sexual assault multiple times.”
The only people who had come forward against Melanie were Timothy Heller and Maddie Carina. Maddie was also a former friend of Melanie who told her own story of alleged sexual assault.
Misconception #6: “Melanie has been accused of sexual assault multiple times.”
The only people who had come forward against Melanie were Timothy Heller and Maddie Carina. Maddie was also a former friend of Melanie who told her own story of alleged sexual assault.
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Maddie herself described their encounter with Melanie as consenting and not rape. Maddie clarified her statement on a later tweet which people conveniently ignore when they talk about Maddie and her experience
Link:
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2017120608…
Maddie herself described their encounter with Melanie as consenting and not rape. Maddie clarified her statement on a later tweet which people conveniently ignore when they talk about Maddie and her experience
Link:
https://twitter.com/maddiecarina/status/938042845402984451
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2017120608…
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These are the only statements that Maddie had made regarding the topic. When asked about Maddie, Timothy described Maddie as “the other girl who slept with Melanie”, instead of “the other girl who Melanie abused”, implying they slept together instead of sexual assault.
These are the only statements that Maddie had made regarding the topic. When asked about Maddie, Timothy described Maddie as “the other girl who slept with Melanie”, instead of “the other girl who Melanie abused”, implying they slept together instead of sexual assault.
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Misconception #7: “Timothy Heller was Melanie Martinez’s best friend.”
Timothy was never Melanie’s best friends. Melanie’s best friend is called Jacqueline "Jackie" Molina. They use this argument because it helps them portray the story of Melanie being an abusive friend.
Misconception #7: “Timothy Heller was Melanie Martinez’s best friend.”
Timothy was never Melanie’s best friends. Melanie’s best friend is called Jacqueline "Jackie" Molina. They use this argument because it helps them portray the story of Melanie being an abusive friend.
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Jackie and Melanie have been friends since they were 5 years old in kindergarten and they are still friends to this very day. What Timothy and Maddie like to do is to tell everyone that Melanie have no real friends to convince people Melanie is possessive and a bad friend
Jackie and Melanie have been friends since they were 5 years old in kindergarten and they are still friends to this very day. What Timothy and Maddie like to do is to tell everyone that Melanie have no real friends to convince people Melanie is possessive and a bad friend
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Here you have old tweets from Maddie Carina claiming that Melanie has no real friends and people only surround with her for monetary gain. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find the twitter link but you can search for the comments left on the tweet using twitter search commands.
Here you have old tweets from Maddie Carina claiming that Melanie has no real friends and people only surround with her for monetary gain. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find the twitter link but you can search for the comments left on the tweet using twitter search commands.
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These types of comments come from a place of bitterness rather than out of concern. You can be friends with people you work with and still maintain a professional and healthy relationship with them.
Link:
Archive:
These types of comments come from a place of bitterness rather than out of concern. You can be friends with people you work with and still maintain a professional and healthy relationship with them.
Link:
https://twitter.com/AndThatsTheTea2/status/1109014957063053312
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230506182155/https://twitter.com/AndThatsTheTea2/status/1109014957063053312
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You can find Jackie’s name on the Cry Baby Credits. Neither Timothy or Maddie was mentioned in the acknowledgements. Another detail is that in the day Piggyback was released, Jackie uploaded via Instagram Stories an old picture of her with Melanie, showing her support ❤️
You can find Jackie’s name on the Cry Baby Credits. Neither Timothy or Maddie was mentioned in the acknowledgements. Another detail is that in the day Piggyback was released, Jackie uploaded via Instagram Stories an old picture of her with Melanie, showing her support ❤️
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Misconception #8: “Globelamp, who was former friends with Timothy, came forward and exposed Timothy as a liar.”
On September, 2020 Elizabeth Gomez posted a series of stories on her IG page denouncing Timothy. But take her statements with a grain of salt. Pause to read.
Misconception #8: “Globelamp, who was former friends with Timothy, came forward and exposed Timothy as a liar.”
On September, 2020 Elizabeth Gomez posted a series of stories on her IG page denouncing Timothy. But take her statements with a grain of salt. Pause to read.
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Part two of Globelamp Instagram stories. Pause to read.
Source: Globelamp on Instagram
Part two of Globelamp Instagram stories. Pause to read.
Source: Globelamp on Instagram
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She has also publicly denounced Timothy Heller on twitter. But I personally believe these statements were not made to spread awareness, but were made in an attempt to save her reputation / public image
Source: reinadelpalmar9 on twitter
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023050818…
She has also publicly denounced Timothy Heller on twitter. But I personally believe these statements were not made to spread awareness, but were made in an attempt to save her reputation / public image
Source: reinadelpalmar9 on twitter
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023050818…
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Don’t get me wrong: Globelamp is a bad person. But don’t send hate to her. People use the argument that because Globelamp is a bad person she can’t be trusted, ignoring the fact that Timothy purposely befriended someone so they could talk bad about Melanie on her behalf.
Don’t get me wrong: Globelamp is a bad person. But don’t send hate to her. People use the argument that because Globelamp is a bad person she can’t be trusted, ignoring the fact that Timothy purposely befriended someone so they could talk bad about Melanie on her behalf.
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Misconception #9: “Melanie was never supportive of Timothy’s career.”
Melanie was always supportive with Timothy’s music. Timothy’s former band “Dresses” were the opening act for Melanie during The Dollhouse Tour back in 2014.
Misconception #9: “Melanie was never supportive of Timothy’s career.”
Melanie was always supportive with Timothy’s music. Timothy’s former band “Dresses” were the opening act for Melanie during The Dollhouse Tour back in 2014.
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Misconception #10: “Melanie Martinez is rude to her fans.”
Melanie has never been rude to her fans. She has always been vocal about how much she appreciates the love she receives from the fans. Here is a snippet from an interview she did in 2019.
Source: BUILD Series
Misconception #10: “Melanie Martinez is rude to her fans.”
Melanie has never been rude to her fans. She has always been vocal about how much she appreciates the love she receives from the fans. Here is a snippet from an interview she did in 2019.
Source: BUILD Series
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Misconception #11: “Melanie Martinez fetishizes babies and romanticizes mental illnesses.”
The Album Cry Baby is a metaphorical and exaggerated representation of a character named Cry Baby, who is loosely based / inspired on Melanie’s personal experiences. Pause to read
Misconception #11: “Melanie Martinez fetishizes babies and romanticizes mental illnesses.”
The Album Cry Baby is a metaphorical and exaggerated representation of a character named Cry Baby, who is loosely based / inspired on Melanie’s personal experiences. Pause to read
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If you want to learn more about the subject matter, I am going to leave a twitter thread which goes into further detail.
Link:
Archive:
If you want to learn more about the subject matter, I am going to leave a twitter thread which goes into further detail.
Link:
https://twitter.com/WTFCHARLl/status/1652333003140464640
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230506191933/https://twitter.com/WTFCHARLl/status/1652333003140464640
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Explaining Melanie Martinez’s Cry Baby era and discussing rumors / misconceptions surrounding it for people to stop misinterpreting it & her intentions with it
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1652333…
Explaining Melanie Martinez’s Cry Baby era and discussing rumors / misconceptions surrounding it for people to stop misinterpreting it & her intentions with it
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1652333…
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Trigger Warning: CP
Misconception #12: “Melanie posted CP on her old Tumblr.”
What people are referring to was when she answered a fan question on Tumblr. The fan asked which was her favorite episode of iCarly was and she answered with an edited gif of Jennette McCurdy
Trigger Warning: CP
Misconception #12: “Melanie posted CP on her old Tumblr.”
What people are referring to was when she answered a fan question on Tumblr. The fan asked which was her favorite episode of iCarly was and she answered with an edited gif of Jennette McCurdy
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Out of respect of Jennette McCurdy I’m not going to post the edited gif. But rest assured, it wasn’t CP. The edited gif came from a season 3 episode called "iWas a Pageant Girl." As you can see, the scene which the edited gif originated from is in no way sexual in nature
Out of respect of Jennette McCurdy I’m not going to post the edited gif. But rest assured, it wasn’t CP. The edited gif came from a season 3 episode called "iWas a Pageant Girl." As you can see, the scene which the edited gif originated from is in no way sexual in nature
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Misconception #13: “I don’t feel comfortable listening to Melanie Martinez because of the allegations.”
If you don’t want to listen to Melanie’s music because of the accusations that is completely understandable. Your opinions / feelings are valid. Take care of yourself
Misconception #13: “I don’t feel comfortable listening to Melanie Martinez because of the allegations.”
If you don’t want to listen to Melanie’s music because of the accusations that is completely understandable. Your opinions / feelings are valid. Take care of yourself
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Misconception #14: “People don’t lie about being sexually assaulted.”
Unfortunately, people lie about being sexually assaulted for their own personal gain. False sexual assault allegations exist and will continue to exist. My heart goes to all sexual assault survivors 💜
Misconception #14: “People don’t lie about being sexually assaulted.”
Unfortunately, people lie about being sexually assaulted for their own personal gain. False sexual assault allegations exist and will continue to exist. My heart goes to all sexual assault survivors 💜
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Example: College student falsely accused of rape speaks out
Example: College student falsely accused of rape speaks out
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Misconception #15: “Melanie is still guilty under the eyes of the law.”
The California Court System (2023) states: “Everyone accused of a crime is legally presumed to be innocent until they are convicted.” Since the case never went to trial, both of them remain innocent
Misconception #15: “Melanie is still guilty under the eyes of the law.”
The California Court System (2023) states: “Everyone accused of a crime is legally presumed to be innocent until they are convicted.” Since the case never went to trial, both of them remain innocent
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Misconception #16: “Melanie took advantage of Timothy because of her age.”
Timothy is older than Melanie. Timothy was born on Aug. 17, 1992 (30 years old) and Melanie was born on April 28, 1995 (28 years old). They met when Timothy was 22 and Melanie was 20 back in 2014
Misconception #16: “Melanie took advantage of Timothy because of her age.”
Timothy is older than Melanie. Timothy was born on Aug. 17, 1992 (30 years old) and Melanie was born on April 28, 1995 (28 years old). They met when Timothy was 22 and Melanie was 20 back in 2014
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Misconception #17: “This thread is full of victim-blaming.”
The act of recollecting data is not victim-blaming. Disproving presented evidence is not victim-blaming. Pointing out that an alleged victim of sexual assault purposely falsified evidence is not victim-blaming.
Misconception #17: “This thread is full of victim-blaming.”
The act of recollecting data is not victim-blaming. Disproving presented evidence is not victim-blaming. Pointing out that an alleged victim of sexual assault purposely falsified evidence is not victim-blaming.
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I caught on that the fandom is always going to be the perceived as wrong no matter the context: When we provide no evidence we were being rape apologists, when we provide enough evidence we are being insensitive, but if we provide too much evidence we are victim-blaming.
I caught on that the fandom is always going to be the perceived as wrong no matter the context: When we provide no evidence we were being rape apologists, when we provide enough evidence we are being insensitive, but if we provide too much evidence we are victim-blaming.
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When presenting evidence in any case it's vital to decide how important / believable the evidence is. The more relevant / valuable your evidence is, it will have more influence on the people you want to convince. If your evidence has no weight then people can't rely on it
When presenting evidence in any case it's vital to decide how important / believable the evidence is. The more relevant / valuable your evidence is, it will have more influence on the people you want to convince. If your evidence has no weight then people can't rely on it
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Misconception #18: “Cry Babies / Earthlings are the ones who keep bringing up the accusations. Timothy wants to be left alone.”
Timothy has stated how she wants to be left alone. Yet every time Melanie has a project Timothy fusses over to sabotage it.
TikTok: Jan. 2020
Misconception #18: “Cry Babies / Earthlings are the ones who keep bringing up the accusations. Timothy wants to be left alone.”
Timothy has stated how she wants to be left alone. Yet every time Melanie has a project Timothy fusses over to sabotage it.
TikTok: Jan. 2020
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Trigger warning: Suicide
Despite calling herself a mental health advocate Timothy Heller has no problem when people tell Cry Babies / Earthlings they should kill themselves for supporting Melanie Martinez.
Link:
Archive:
Trigger warning: Suicide
Despite calling herself a mental health advocate Timothy Heller has no problem when people tell Cry Babies / Earthlings they should kill themselves for supporting Melanie Martinez.
Link:
https://twitter.com/BringItOnBriana/status/978177179220697088
Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20230516092944/https://twitter.com/BringItOnBriana/status/978177179220697088
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In June, 2020 when "Play Date" went viral Melanie had originally planned do make a "Play Date Remix" with 100 Gecs. Then Timothy followed the band members on IG and contacted them to cancel the collaboration.
Link: aminoapps.com/c/crybabies/pa…
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023050607…
In June, 2020 when "Play Date" went viral Melanie had originally planned do make a "Play Date Remix" with 100 Gecs. Then Timothy followed the band members on IG and contacted them to cancel the collaboration.
Link: aminoapps.com/c/crybabies/pa…
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023050607…
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Unless you really want be to believe that Timothy coincidentally followed 100 Gecs hours before they were set to release a collaboration with Melanie and the project just got cancelled without any explanation
Link:
Archive:
Unless you really want be to believe that Timothy coincidentally followed 100 Gecs hours before they were set to release a collaboration with Melanie and the project just got cancelled without any explanation
Link:
https://twitter.com/LoveSupportMel/status/1273306303033749508
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230506225620/https://twitter.com/LoveSupportMel/status/1273306303033749508
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On Oct. of 2020 Timothy’s private IG page @/brainynoworky got leaked. The three dots from the IG posts are shown vertically instead of horizontally meaning the photos were taken using a Samsung Galaxy product
Link:
Archive:
On Oct. of 2020 Timothy’s private IG page @/brainynoworky got leaked. The three dots from the IG posts are shown vertically instead of horizontally meaning the photos were taken using a Samsung Galaxy product
Link:
https://twitter.com/hairlikewater/status/1313488545340944384
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230506213613/https://twitter.com/hairlikewater/status/1313488545340944384
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Timothy supporters like to link this article to remind everyone that Melanie has sexual abuse accusations. But what they always fail to mention is that this article was made by Timothy and Maddie themselves.
Link:
Archive:
Timothy supporters like to link this article to remind everyone that Melanie has sexual abuse accusations. But what they always fail to mention is that this article was made by Timothy and Maddie themselves.
Link:
https://twitter.com/maddie__carina/status/1286540663345958912
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230506231441/https://twitter.com/maddie__carina/status/1286540663345958912
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The article is completely biased and they use the “she never said no” argument we debunked earlier. The article was also published the same week that Melanie’s K-12 debuted at #3 on Billboard. I wonder why.
Link: femestella.com/melanie-martin…
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023050623…
The article is completely biased and they use the “she never said no” argument we debunked earlier. The article was also published the same week that Melanie’s K-12 debuted at #3 on Billboard. I wonder why.
Link: femestella.com/melanie-martin…
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023050623…
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In 2019, Timothy convinced her friend Edwin Costa to make a YouTube series regarding the allegations in order to make Melanie look guilty. The plan backfired, since most of the comments are people calling them out for omitting evidence.
Archive:
In 2019, Timothy convinced her friend Edwin Costa to make a YouTube series regarding the allegations in order to make Melanie look guilty. The plan backfired, since most of the comments are people calling them out for omitting evidence.
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Earlier in 2023 Timothy personally thanked a YouTuber / Internet troll for speaking out against Melanie. They made light about the topic which consisted of them making rape jokes throughout their posts and only pretended to care about Timothy once she reached out to them
Earlier in 2023 Timothy personally thanked a YouTuber / Internet troll for speaking out against Melanie. They made light about the topic which consisted of them making rape jokes throughout their posts and only pretended to care about Timothy once she reached out to them
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I cannot for the life of me think of another example aside from this one where an alleged survivor goes out of their way to personally thank someone who made jokes about their alleged rape and openly jokes / compares people to serial rapists
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I cannot for the life of me think of another example aside from this one where an alleged survivor goes out of their way to personally thank someone who made jokes about their alleged rape and openly jokes / compares people to serial rapists
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It’s hard for me to believe that this person cares about sexual assault survivors when they use tags such as “funny” and “comedy” regarding this topic. Remember that the tags on YouTube are manually chosen by the creator and are not automatically marked out by the program
It’s hard for me to believe that this person cares about sexual assault survivors when they use tags such as “funny” and “comedy” regarding this topic. Remember that the tags on YouTube are manually chosen by the creator and are not automatically marked out by the program
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And most recently, an account called @/heardsstan brought up the allegations again right before the release of Melanie's third studio album PORTALS. The account then got suspended for spam and bot activity.
Link: twitter.com/heardsstan
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023021500…
And most recently, an account called @/heardsstan brought up the allegations again right before the release of Melanie's third studio album PORTALS. The account then got suspended for spam and bot activity.
Link: twitter.com/heardsstan
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023021500…
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The group of people behind these bot accounts have always hated Melanie since the beginning. You can find tweets from them back to 2016 attacking Melanie, a complete year before the accusations surfaced.
Link:
Archive:
The group of people behind these bot accounts have always hated Melanie since the beginning. You can find tweets from them back to 2016 attacking Melanie, a complete year before the accusations surfaced.
Link:
https://twitter.com/shxnerusso/status/738009816740823041
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://twitter.com/shxnerusso/status/738009816740823041
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The context of these conversations has become lost over time but this argument is just to show you that these people have known each other and communicated with each other for years.
Source: shaxnerusso on twitter
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
The context of these conversations has become lost over time but this argument is just to show you that these people have known each other and communicated with each other for years.
Source: shaxnerusso on twitter
Archive: web.archive.org/web/2023000000…
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These people never cared about Timothy Heller. They never did. They only used this situation to ruin Melanie Martinez’s career and image, just like they have been doing for the last seven years.
These people never cared about Timothy Heller. They never did. They only used this situation to ruin Melanie Martinez’s career and image, just like they have been doing for the last seven years.
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Timothy will never admit that she lied, but we don’t need an admission of guilt to know that she is a liar. When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. People know themselves much better than you do. Stop expecting people to be something they aren't
Timothy will never admit that she lied, but we don’t need an admission of guilt to know that she is a liar. When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. People know themselves much better than you do. Stop expecting people to be something they aren't
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Conclusion:
This thread was entirely made by myself. I want to repeat the point I said earlier in the beginning of this thread: Please do not send any hate to Melanie Martinez, Timothy Heller or anyone else mentioned in this thread.
Thank you for your time and patience
Conclusion:
This thread was entirely made by myself. I want to repeat the point I said earlier in the beginning of this thread: Please do not send any hate to Melanie Martinez, Timothy Heller or anyone else mentioned in this thread.
Thank you for your time and patience
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I linked the contact info of RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) at the end of part 1 of this thread but I think it's important to remind everyone that you are not alone and there are people who can help you.
Call 800.656.4673 or visit
rainn.org/contact-us
I linked the contact info of RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) at the end of part 1 of this thread but I think it's important to remind everyone that you are not alone and there are people who can help you.
Call 800.656.4673 or visit
rainn.org/contact-us
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If you need help recovering from an addiction: The American Addiction Centers (AAC) is the leading provider for addiction treatment nationwide which specializes in evidence-based treatment / mental healthcare services
Call (866) 820-7535 or visit
americanaddictioncenters.org
If you need help recovering from an addiction: The American Addiction Centers (AAC) is the leading provider for addiction treatment nationwide which specializes in evidence-based treatment / mental healthcare services
Call (866) 820-7535 or visit
americanaddictioncenters.org
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988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals in the USA
988lifeline.org
988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals in the USA
988lifeline.org
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