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A bit of #NoDebate history.

In 2018 @Docstockk wrote this calm clear article about self ID which was published by the @ConversationUK (alongside an article with the counter-view)

theconversation.com/why-self-ident…
I thought the article was very good in setting out the issues, and when @CGDev HR guy Luke contacted me about my tweets I sent him a link to it to explain that this is a serious policy question in the UK. Image
A bunch of academics were angry and disappointed with the Converation that they had published Kathleen's article and they wrote an open letter.

The Conversation held its ground ImageImage
In December 2018 I tweeted about the letter in a long thread highlighting how good it was to see @ForWomenScot presenting to the Scottish Parliament and demanding that politicians engage with the issue
When I was being investigated by CGD they commissioned DEI consultants who condemned me *because* I had retweeted the letter

They said they agreed with all the criticisms of Kathleen Stock and so my views were not legitimate.

CGD agreed and spent a lot of money losing in court Image
So here we are its 2023.

Kathleen Stock features in a very good documentary shown on @Channel4 which makes all the same points as the 2018 article

channel4.com/programmes/gen…
But if you share it publicly and (god forbid!) say that you agree with Kathleen people will still try to come after your job.

At least now you can point at the Forstater judgment and they may back off, but it is scary, and many people are too vulnerable

sex-matters.org/posts/freedom-…
What would help would be if orgs and their leaders would stand up for their mission & principles (as The Conversation did in 2018) and refuse to be used by the bullies.

But moral leadership is thin on the ground.

People who should stand up have been cowering for too long.
So what is needed now is to clarify the law.

The definition of sex matters particularly for the public sector equality duty.

If "transwomen are women" in the EqA then women will continue to be terrorised.

sex-matters.org/equality-act-d…
But if women are a group that shld not be discriminated against on the basis of our sex, & public bodies *have to* take this into account then we can have sane, sensible, evidence-based conversations about policies.

Sex matters in life & law - it shouldn't take courage to say so Image

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May 31
Having watched the balanced documentary #GenderWars last night, the open letter by Finn Mackay, Dr Gina Gwenffrewi, Kass Caldicott, Andrew C, Lily, Charlie C, and Dr Stephen Whittle OBE looks even more unhinged

c4genderwars.blogspot.com/2023/05/when-i…
These signatories (in no particular order) can't really believe that this documentary fails any normal standard of journalism.

No, what they are desperate to do is to clarify to their censorious peers that they should not be cancelled ImageImage
I got a good review in the Guardian, which will give more people permission to watch it.
theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2…
Read 4 tweets
May 13
UN Independent Expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz came to the UK and met with civil society representatives.

He refused to pose for a picture with us, but he was happy to do it with others.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/… Image
His report lays into the “Equalities and Human Rights Commission” (sic) saying it is “wholly unbecoming of an institution created to stand up for those in need of protection and hold governments to account for their human rights obligations” Image
The report was finished the day after the last meetings.

It tells the UK to "keep calm. examine evidence. respect diversity"

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/…
Read 14 tweets
May 11
There is a live policy/legal Q right about whether having a GRC changes a person's sex for purposes of the EqA

Silence on this from academic law is notable (with honourable exceptions @michaelpforan)

In 2020 some were arguing that self-ID changes sex
a-question-of-consent.net/2020/11/14/los…
Kings College London undertook a 4-year project on @FutureGender with a £579,717 grant from @ESRC and didn't ask this basic Q about how the law works now (@DavinaCooper5 ? )
As Naomi Cunningham has written, it's not at all obvious how to interpret the law here, and she has changed her mind.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/…
Read 11 tweets
Apr 22
So in August 2022 Jolyon Maugham slid into JKR's DMs asking for a chat and saying he felt sad about how things have "panned out"... ImageImage
This is the man who for the past five years has said we must not debate trans rights... Image
That JKR should just accept being libeled... ImageImage
Read 11 tweets
Apr 17
Are gender critical beliefs views a protected belief?

Robin Moira White, lawyer, trans rights expert and commentator on my case wrote in 2021 that people with GC beliefs are not protected against discrimination if they voice them at work.

independent.co.uk/voices/trans-r… Image
It turned out that was wrong.

So following the EAT judgment White & Newbiggin rewrote the chapter in their book to recognise that a belief can only be excluded from protection if it akin to Naziism or totalitarianism in destroying others' rights.

lawbriefpublishing.com/wp-content/upl… ImageImage
Their re-drafted chapter appears to be the source of the often cited view that it is only holding the belief, not manifesting it, that is protected. Image
Read 11 tweets
Apr 15
This example is bizarre, given the case that prompted this rewrite of the guidance was Miller v College of Policing.
The unspecified "threat" in the CoP draft is quite similar to the example in the Bar Standards Board draft social media guidance Image
Meanwhile in the real world what is actually going on is stuff like this Image
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