Edward Feser Profile picture
Jun 9 12 tweets 3 min read Twitter logo Read on Twitter
1/12 The ignorance of basic logic is breathtaking (and note that here too at least one of these people somehow got a PhD). The answer is: No, when evaluating an *argument*, motives are completely irrelevant. What motives are relevant to is *testimony*. These are often confused. Image
2/12 Hence, suppose the only evidence that some suspect committed a crime is the testimony of an alleged eyewitness, but you have evidence that that eyewitness has a personal grudge against the suspect. Then you have good reason to doubt the testimony. No fallacy there.
3/12 Or suppose that a guy at the iPhone store tells you that iPhones are the best product on the market. Even if he’s an expert on the subject, you have reason not to take his expert testimony too seriously, because you know he has a motive to sell you a phone. No fallacy there.
4/12 However, if someone gives you an *argument* – that is to say, premises in support of a conclusion – then whether the conclusion follows from the premises (either with deductive validity or probability) has nothing whatsoever to do with the person’s motives.
5/12 An argument that is either valid or at least cogent (i.e. renders the conclusion at least probable) remains so even if the person giving it has bad motives. And an argument that is invalid or non-cogent remains so even if the person giving it has good motives.
6/12 Someone might say “OK, but what about the premises themselves? What if they rest on testimony?” If they do, then it is not necessarily fallacious to doubt that testimony if you have grounds to doubt the person’s objectivity. However,
7/12 typically there will be arguments for the premises too, & *those* arguments will be either valid or invalid, cogent or not cogent, regardless of the motives of the person giving them. Now, in the case of a book like Scruton’s (which occasioned the comments I’m responding to)
8/12 there are going to be lots of arguments, and the author’s motives are completely irrelevant to their validity or cogency. To be sure, there are bound at some points to be premises that are supported by reference to expert testimony, and motives will be relevant there.
9/12 But “relevant” doesn’t entail “decisive.” Hence, if you say “But Scruton cites experts who help his case,” that doesn’t by itself prove anything. Are they truly experts? Does he also discuss experts on the other side? Does he give reasons for favoring the one over the other?
10/12 The answer in each case happens to be “Yes.” So, it’s no good simply to appeal to motives here as if that at last gave license to reject his position, because he has given *arguments* purporting to show that motives have not unduly influenced the outcome of the inquiry.
11/12 And even if there were good reasons to be suspicious of Scruton’s choice of which experts to rely on in this or that case, that wouldn’t magically nullify the validity or cogency of *every* argument he gives.
12/12 The bottom line is that evaluating a work like the Scruton book in question requires doing actual work and serious thinking. It’s not something that can be dismissed w/ a smartass quip & appeal to motives. A random dumbass Twitter jockey wouldn’t know this, but a PhD should

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with Edward Feser

Edward Feser Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @FeserEdward

Jun 10
1/5 Aristotle famously distinguishes the weak-willed man (the akrates), who regrets his wrongdoing and can reform, from the licentious man (the akolastos), who is so thoroughly in love with immoral pleasures that he is incapable of perceiving, much less willing, what is good.
2/5 Aquinas modifies this distinction insofar as he takes even the latter to be capable of repentance before death. All the same, he notes that the sins of the licentious man are more grave than those of the weak-willed man, & that his repentance is more difficult and less likely
3/5 Those who today loudly insist on more lenient treatment of wrongdoers – both in the secular context, with respect to dealing with criminals, and in the religious context, with respect to those in thrall to sexual vice and the like – routinely ignore this crucial distinction.
Read 5 tweets
Jun 10
1/5 Depends on the nature of the premises a particular argument appeals to. For example, suppose a premise was “Such-and-such a study shows that second hand smoke poses no serious health risk,” and it turned out that the study was funded by the tobacco industry.
2/5 Then I’d say that it would of course be reasonable to take the study with a grain of salt until it could be established that it met the usual scientific standards, that other studies were considered to see if they were consistent with this result, etc.
3/5 But suppose instead that an argument appealed to more abstract philosophical premises about the right to take risks with one’s own health, etc. Then, whatever one thought about such arguments, who funded the writing up of them really isn’t relevant.
Read 5 tweets
Jun 9
1/10 Here’s another case of someone actually trying to defend the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy (also known as the appeal to motive). It’s a fine example of irrationality masquerading as sophistication, containing several errors worth unpacking. Image
2/10 Notice first that, like so many other kinds of fallacious reasoning, it can easily be turned against the person who appeals to it. In particular, the tactic of claiming that others are guilty of motivated reasoning can *itself* be dismissed as a kind of motivated reasoning,
3/10 because the tactic allows one to feel superior to one’s opponents, and to dismiss their arguments a priori rather than having to do the hard work of evaluating them on the merits. Those who commit the circumstantial ad hominem are thus hoist on their own petard.
Read 10 tweets
May 26
1/18 A false dichotomy. For one thing, recognizing the economic problem does not entail denying the cultural problem (and @SohrabAhmari did not say that it does). Both must be addressed. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. But there’s also a much deeper point
2/18 which is that cultural assumptions always inform how economic matters are described & evaluated. E.g. if the issue is wages, is the problem that they are not sufficient to allow a father to support a family (as Catholic social teaching a la Pope Leo XIII would emphasize)?
3/18 Is the problem instead that men and women do not receive “equal pay for equal work” (as feminists would emphasize)? Is the problem that wages don’t reflect racial “equity” (as CRT would emphasize)? And what exactly counts as having an adequate wage?
Read 18 tweets
May 2
1/14 I appreciate this civil and constructive thread from @mfjlewis (which I’ve posted screenshots of here to make it easier to refer to and respond to as a whole). First, no, I don’t question your motivations, Mike. I’m certain you’re sincere and intend merely to defend what ImageImage
2/14 you take to be binding teaching. I just think your zeal sometimes gets the better of you and that you can be unfair to loyal Catholics who disagree with you in good faith. But I don’t deny that you have the right to defend the position you do on this issue.
3/14 I ask only that you give a fair hearing to the arguments of those of us on the other side, and see that we’re no less motivated by love for the Church and the papacy and a desire to assent to whatever actually is binding on the faithful. (Yes, there are hotheads who go
Read 14 tweets
Apr 17
1/6 No, there’s no conundrum at all unless one is a Modernist. For what generates the problem is novelty, not continuity. The Modernist wants to use the Church’s magisterium to support novelty, but the very attempt casts doubt on the magisterium’s credibility. THAT is the dilemma
2/6 The defender of continuity faces no such problem. If the magisterium teaches contrary to scripture or 2000 years of tradition in a *non-ex cathedra* act, it is in error & that is that. The Church herself acknowledges that that can happen, & it has happened a handful of times
3/6 What would cause a genuine problem is if the magisterium were to attempt to teach contrary to scripture or 2000 years of tradition in an *ex cathedra act*. That would falsify Catholicism. But it has never happened and, if Catholicism is true (which it is) never will
Read 6 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us on Twitter!

:(