This is the general sentencing guidance.
“For offenders on the cusp of custody, imprisonment should not be imposed where there would be an impact on dependants which would make a custodial sentence disproportionate to achieving the aims of sentencing.” / sentencingcouncil.org.uk/droppable/item…
Carla Foster was on the cusp - the judge said an earlier plea would have enabled him to suspend.
On the guidance she met every criteria for a suspended sentence, and none for an immediate custodial sentence, except for length.
The length was arrived at by stating that /
an earlier case - plainly more serious - would now be considered too lenient.
I doubt that myself, but it’s an odd thing to say unless that was a view expressed generally. It isn’t. These offences are extremely rare. I wonder, therefore, if the Judge consulted anyone else. /
In hope he did not & I’m certainly not asserting that he did. Had he done so I would regard that as wrong in principle: the judge who sentences is the judge who hears the case. No one else. Asking colleagues what they’d do is one thing: asking if the existing precedent is too /
lenient is quite another.
In my view, bidding yourself up to a figure that you then reduce by just too little to enable you to suspend is wrong in principle.
Catt was a 5 year starting point. This case was less serious.The Judge reduced his starting point by 40% /
to reflect the mitigation. Mrs Catt did not have a disabled child.
Had the Judge said the 5 year start point in Catt represented the upper limit & started at around 4 years, he’d have applied the 40% discount for mitigating circumstances & ended up with 29 months. /
The Judge gave a 20% discount for plea. That would be 23 months & he could have suspended the sentence.
The entirety of the sentence, therefore depends on saying that a more serious case would have attracted a higher sentence today.
The sentencing remarks do not make clear /
whether the Judge asked for submissions on that conclusion. I hope he did, but it is concerning that, if so, he did not address them. If not, then counsel was not able to address the determinative issue.
This is so marginal a decision that the failure to ask what purpose is /
achieved by an immediate custodial sentence is one I find genuinely worrying. As far as anyone can tell from the sentencing remarks, the answer is nothing but the immediate detriment of the living children, the impact on whom is not addressed in the smallest detail, even though /
the courts generally recognise that sentencing women to custody is far more detrimental to children than sentencing men to custody.
Instinctively it feels wrong to me, but I’ve done this thread because I can’t see the answers to specific questions from the public remarks.
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A lot of people haven't read it, & the information is also obscured by the spin imparted by @LukeTryl (sorry Luke). To me, the report, articles in the media, & the publisher's spin suggest they wanted it to show something different to the reality.
But judge for yourselves...
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In reality, I think, the survey suggests we want to be polite & accommodating, but not to shift boundaries or definitions. Which is hardly a surprise. And that is so across age and political boundaries, although results do vary by those dividers.
3/20
The Bill is short - only 9 sections and only 2 with which this thread is concerned. Tax Legislation can have hundreds of sections...
It provides that the minimum age for marriage is 18. No longer will it be 16.
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@JW3London hosting @Baddiel & @YehudisFletcher discussing whether Jewish differences between Charedim & others Jews are reconcilable.
DB tells us he disparages religion generally & practices affecting health in lockdown are fair game for public criticism. #reconcilabledifferences
YF doesn’t accept flouting lockdown as a religious position but a cultural one, not driven by Jewish values. Nor are Jews - including Charedim - responsible for bigotry against them.
Charedim are diverse. People in positions of power push positions #reconcilabledifferences
Charedim are “othered” by Jews as well as non-Jews. That can be unconscious.
DB - there can be unconscious antisemitism but there are no non-malicious antisemites. But religious dictat is stupid. The people aren’t idiots but the practices are.
@PNahamu seminar on forced marriage. Hearing from the authors of the paper, @YehudisFletcher & @EveSacks - acknowledging the issues in what seems to me to be a notably balanced way.
Proper qs about the extent to which external publicity & pressure can delay quiet resolution.
"We can't timetable people's freedom' (Fletcher).
If I thought quiet chats would help, albeit at the risk of sacrificing individuals, I'd find the q more difficult than I actually do.
Sacks makes interesting point that when confronted by the issue, the mainstream community says "oh, the shtetl, how lovely", rather than "wtf" (I paraphrase).
1/4 While we're on JVL people and their defence of Ken Livingstone, this is @JonathanRosenh1:
On antisemitism from Corbynistas: "We don’t know if they are members of the Labour Party. We don’t even know if they are supporters of Jeremy Corbyn. If I was the Israeli government, I
would be running all sorts of false flag operations getting people to post – & they have hordes of them in Israel doing this sort of stuff on the internet – saying things which would then discredit Jeremy Corbyn."
Whilst appearing on @Presstvuk (the official arm of the Iranian
State) with Rev Stephen Sizer (ordered off social media by the Church of England after claiming that Jews were behind 9/11), “Many Jews are fearful & feel that the Labour Party is infected with antisemitism. That’s the result of the campaign by the Board of Deputies
Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi gave evidence on behalf of Ken Livingstone at his disciplinary hearing. Here are the quotes. You probably see the difficulties & the justification for removing her from @UKLabour
If not, you need education - speak to @JewishLabour.
She said:
"I was not
remotely offended & I didn’t know what the fuss was. I probably wouldn’t have put it that way but I have myself looked at the history. I’m aware of this very controversial historical record of Zionist leaders making approaches to leaders of the Nazi party, suggesting deals. And
in fact I’m sorry to say this but I’ve got sources here to back this up, that there was a coincidence of interest between the Zionist leadership – that’s not to say every Zionist of course – but between the Zionist leadership and the Nazi party, which wished to rid German Society