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Winning a future European accession referendum.
Some advice.
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Some advice.
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or very specific - Maltese exemption on out-of-season hunting of certain migratory birds for cultural reasons.
The UK will have to make its case.
There will be full and fair payments to the budget. There will not be an opt-out from FoM, Schengen, home affairs or the euro.
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The UK will have to make its case.
There will be full and fair payments to the budget. There will not be an opt-out from FoM, Schengen, home affairs or the euro.
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It seems that the UK pro-European movement is not taking that into account as yet. That commitment would need to be made at the start and won at the referendum.
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https://twitter.com/patricklohlein/status/1674073379433742339?s=20
(This, of course, would not be the only difficult issue for rejoiners in a referendum)
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https://twitter.com/AntonSpisak/status/1674102945401405448?s=20
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It is clear how the UK press, perhaps not even just the right, would portray this.
Defeat.
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It is clear how the UK press, perhaps not even just the right, would portray this.
Defeat.
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That would obviously be very hard to overcome in a referendum. But it would also set a narrative of the UK's new departure as starting with, and being associated with, defeat.
It would breed resentment, even if the ref. could be won.
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It would breed resentment, even if the ref. could be won.
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So, what should be done? As the terms are known, pro-Europeans need to start putting the euro at the centre of their campaign.
It is hard to get into.
It should be something aspirational.
Talk it up.
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It is hard to get into.
It should be something aspirational.
Talk it up.
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(It shouldn't be hard. The euro is pretty bloody amazing as an achievement and is the most visual symbol of our European unity)
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Do it now, build up the support for the euro, roll the pitch, so you're not having to do it in the heat of a referendum campaign. Make it a positive goal that people can achieve.
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@MaddanArchie Obviously loads of questions around point 3 as well.
@MaddanArchie Given what's happening in Europe, you can see our reticence.
@MaddanArchie Feel free to show me where the protections for the courts against WM interference are, if you disagree.
@MaddanArchie Most member states have higher-order protections for court independence. The UK lacks those.
Even Poland has more.
Even Poland has more.
@MaddanArchie Either way, if you can't show the protections of court independence in the UK, there's not much point in discussing it further.
@MaddanArchie It's extraordinary that you can be so blasΓ© about this. I would not be happy were I you.
Anyhow, any chance we can see those protections of independence?
Anyhow, any chance we can see those protections of independence?
@MaddanArchie Plenty of common-law states have independent courts with protections. That you can't demonstrate that in the UK is understandable, because there are no protections.
Anyhow, please show the protections for independence that actually exist before we go further.
Anyhow, please show the protections for independence that actually exist before we go further.
@MaddanArchie Anyhow, we're at a standstill, you don't seem to want to answer the first question, let's leave it there please.
@FederateUk The politics of that, for us, are how can you prove your commitment to Europe? A referendum with a big win will be necessary.
@FederateUk @davidatwilliams Please stop bringing up federalism as a solution. It's not. It might be a solution to your problems, but that's irrelevant to the discussion.
@FederateUk @davidatwilliams As for the referendum, it was be in accordance with your "constitution", which by tradition will mean a referendum.
Europe will not accept UK as a member unless it can prove cross-party and deep public support.
Those commitment would not be comprehensive.
Europe will not accept UK as a member unless it can prove cross-party and deep public support.
Those commitment would not be comprehensive.
@FederateUk @davidatwilliams Stop spamming me with irrelevant replies about federalism, or that the euro doesn't show commitment. It is a suite of measures, and sure, internal reform is part of it, but that's nowhere near sufficient.
@FederateUk @davidatwilliams There is no debate in any case. You are talking from a UK perspective only, you disregard what Europe feels on the issue, and your solutions, such as they are, are no functional and probably pie-in-the sky.
@FederateUk @davidatwilliams FWIW a federal UK is a good idea. But you were schooled yesterday in the problems with that.
@alexjbutcher Given that Europe will be well aware of the risk of bad faith, given the current circs., then precautions will be taken. But I don't see why UK would want to join in bad faith?
@alexjbutcher I don't really understand what you're arguing for? That the UK goes into accession with its fingers crossed behind its back when it makes commitments to Europe?
@alexjbutcher They could also time-limit the criteria being met, or insert any number of clauses into the accession treaty to compel the UK.
More likely though is that if the UK has got to that point, trust will have been re-established, and they will accept UKG bona fides in that regard.
More likely though is that if the UK has got to that point, trust will have been re-established, and they will accept UKG bona fides in that regard.
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