🧵St. Theodosius of the Kiev Caves (☦️1074) is commemorated in the official Roman Martyrology (2004) of Catholics on May 3, but says communion & liturgies of Latins are lifeless (graceless) & won't share lot with saints in Heaven. He alludes to unleavened bread in Latin masses.
Claim: "Russian saints before Florence are Catholic unless proven otherwise." This demonstrates a great ignorance of the period. There are many examples besides St Theodosius showing Kievan Rus' ecclesiastical authorities shortly after 1054 recognize schism & heresy among Latins.
Leo, metropolitan of Pereyaslavl, wrote a treatise in 1060s criticizing Latin use of unleavened bread as Monophysite & Nestorian. Met John II of Kiev (☦️1089) wrote azymes in communion entail several heresies. Orthodox clergy forbade Rus princes marrying their daughters to Latins
The Russian prince, St. Alexander Nevsky (☦️1263), at his time clearly already considered the Latins schismatics who departed from the faith as can be demonstrated in Second Pskovian Chronicle as well as his own Vita. “We do not want your doctrine.”-St. Alexander to papal envoys.
Why did Isidore of Kiev come to Florence (1438-39) if any union was there? Reaction of Russian faithful to the council led to Russian Orthodox Church declaring itself autocephalous (independent) from Constantinople. Russia was 1st to reject. Isidore was quickly declared a heretic
New Advent, 100+ year old Catholic encyclopedia, admits Russian Metropolitans from the beginning to Met Isidor of Kiev (1437 AD) had no relations with Rome & literature of this time characterizes the Latins as schismatics & heretics & even canonical documents label Latins pagans.
After Florence, there was sentiment among Orthodox Russians Constantinople fell for heresy by accepting the council despite most eastern Roman lower-level clergy & laity not supporting this council. Orthodox Muscovites felt they were the last true free Christian people on earth.
St Theodosius isn't the only Pre-Florence Russian saint commemorated in the official Roman Martyrology of Catholics. There are others. Pope Paul III (died 1549) officially canonized St Abraham of Smolensk (☦️1222) into RCC despite being a near contemporary of St Alexander Nevsky.
As shown above Latin priest Edward McNamara argues why pre-Florence Russian Orthodox saints are in the Roman Martyrology is bc areas like Kiev were isolated. Early anti-Latin Russian writings appear soon after 1054 not just bc of Byzantine influence but also close Latin proximity
Despite more centuries of separation Pope John Paul II referred to St Seraphim of Sarov (☦️1833) as saint, but he lived in 19th century. Latin priest Hugh Barbour: veneration of post-schism Russian Orthodox saints & post-1054 canonizations are generally valid if "reconciliation."
While sedevacantists have no authority in Catholicism Guimarães opines post-schism Russian saints like St Sergius shouldn’t be in Roman Martyrology bc they’re schismatics with no intention to convert. Contrast it with the modern RC view EO are no longer referred to as schismatics
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A scholarly paper on Russian Liturgical Feast Days in the Slavic Byzantine Catholic Menologion of the Mid-20th Century. According to official compilers the Catholic history of Rus' ended only at 1440s when Rus' rejected Florence, not Great Schism of 1054. slovene.ru/2021_1_Semenen…
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@threadreaderapp A scholarly paper on Russian Liturgical Feast Days in the Slavic Byzantine Catholic Menologion of the Mid-20th Century. According to official compilers the Catholic history of Rus' ended only at 1440s when Rus' rejected Florence, not Great Schism of 1054. slovene.ru/2021_1_Semenen…
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The part of St Nestor's Primary Chronicle covering Kievan Rus' baptism should be required reading for all. I don't want to see anyone online who treat "Russian Orthodox" & "Greek Orthodox" as if they aren't "identical [in theological] doctrine, discipline, & spiritual practices."
🤓:"What about the Old Russian rite & the Old Believers?"
As we read above 1 reason the Eastern Slavs converted to Christianity is bc St Vladimir's envoys were deeply impressed with Constantinople's worship. They converted to "the Greek faith" & brought the Byzantine rite to Rus
The Old Russian Rite isn't a different liturgical rite altogether in the sense of the difference between the Rite of Constantinople & the Latin Rite. It's essentially a use of the Rite of Constantinople based on the attempt of Rus' to implement that rite in the 10-11th centuries.
🧵Church of the East affirms "Christ is God" but that doesn't mean orthodox presumptions. Arianism isn't to be confused with Nestorianism. They venerate Mary but historically denied Theotokos bc they think she gave birth to the Messiah, not Divinity & Christ got humanity from Her
The Church of the East & Nestorius, whom The Church of the East views as saint & Greek "doctor of the Church," claims to affirm the Nicene Creed & Luke 1:43. Nestorians don't reject the phrase Jesus Christ is Lord or God. They just have different presumptions of what that entails
The Church of the East (including all splits offs) claims the 1st 2 Ecumenical Councils & the 4th. You can find Nestorians saying "Christ is God" & "Christ is fully God & fully man" because they disavow Ariansism & Apollinariansism, which Nicea 1 & Constantinople 1 anathematized.
🧵A text commonly attributed to St Peter Mogila is "Project of a Polish nobleman of the Greek religion." This is a forgery used by Catholics for reunion narrative & uniate propaganda. The text was mentioned as early as March 16th 1645 at session of Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei.
Prof Evgeny Frantsevich Shmurlo(☦️1934) attributed it to Adam Kisiel, a Polish nobleman. This is supported by: 1. Pope Urban VIII had asked Kisiel to propose conditions for union; 2. Kisiel was favorable towards union; 3. Text is similar in content to Kisiel's letter to Met Kosiv
Originally "Sententia cuiusdam Nobilis Poloni Graecae Religion" was known as an anonymous document. In 1963, Atanasiy Hryhoriy Velykyy, a uniate Greek-Catholic priest, Superior General of the Basilian Order of Saint Josaphat, proposed a theory it was authored by St. Peter Mogila.
🧵"Blessed" here has nothing to do with polemics against St Augustine of Hippo at all. It's common parlance among Eastern Orthodox to refer to certain officially canonized saints as "Blessed," "Venerable" & other titles. These terms are interchangeable with "saint" & don't demean https://t.co/LyPw5BG98L
Historically speaking the current exact process of the glorification of saints in Roman Catholicism isn't found in the early Church, its 1st inkling didn't appear till near the start of the Second Millennium & is foreign to the Eastern Orthodox tradition
https://t.co/5RSDQXXSsmoca.org/fs/canonization
Met. Hilarion Alfeyev states that there was not any kind of specific procedure of canonization for the saints in the early Church. The cult of the saints arose naturally and placing a saint on the liturgical calendar was often decided at the local level of the diocesan bishop.
Concerning icons Copts have undergone a "Latin" & "Greek captivity." In the 19th century Coptic churches adopted Western iconographic style. Coptic icon makers still use RC elements. Fanous credited with the Neocoptic iconographic renaissance studied under EO theologian Ouspensky
This contemporary Coptic icon (1st image) of St Demiana & the 40 Virgins is distributed in Egypt. A big version can be seen in The Convent of Saint Damiana in the Nile Delta of Egypt. 1st image looks Roman Catholic. 2nd is traditional Coptic. 3rd is Neocoptic. 4th is contemporary
This example of St Demiana above is no anomaly. Copts in Egypt use & import iconographic styles from outside the Coptic tradition concerning all saints, Christ, etc in general. 1 explanation is due to persecution they didn't care about iconographic homogeneity before 20th century
This example of Dr. Alonzo L. Gaskill apostatizing from Eastern Orthodoxy to Mormonism in college is a very good reason why the Church canons forbid members of the Orthodox Church from going to the worship services of heretics. deseret.com/2017/8/25/2061…
The idea of my future children apostatizing from the true faith to something like Mormonism saddens me. You shouldn't use the parish as a "theology day care" for your children and not teach them anything. The role of parents catechizing children in the Orthodox faith is essential
By the time your child reaches college age going to the worship services of non-Trinitarian heretics should be absolutely unthinkable. Even with the ability to use economia no Orthodox bishop would approve of a marriage between a (non-Trinitarian) Mormon and an Orthodox Christian