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@Whariwharangi @Data79504085 @RichardLWeiss @BenKoby1911 @JezRoff @emilio97493490 @balls95652097 @ScienceBlog3 @Kenneth72712993 @InspirallPE @Nockit1 @ammocrypta @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Michael_D_Crow @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @DaviesswPhD @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity Also, at 49 minutes Valentina Zharkova claimed LW IR wavelenths are so long, "10,000 meters, something, I don't remember exactly" that "the energy produced by this radiation is negligible." The wavelength is actually about 15 µm, and the energy is far from negligible.

@ScienceBlog3 @Kenneth72712993 @TheDisproof @InspirallPE @Nockit1 @ammocrypta @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @BenKoby1911 @Data79504085 @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Michael_D_Crow @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @emilio97493490 @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @JimBlack48 @Jaisans @CarrudoDon @LiveLifeBK24 @Joeyd87745119 @Hji45519156 @waxliberty @SuperFoxyLoxy @antonioguterres I'm reminded of the junk science "studies" falsely claiming that crop yields will suffer from tiny temperature increases.

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1362281342445191173

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @ammocrypta @Michael_D_Crow @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Kenneth72712993 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics …He also taught in ornithology & botany, and served as the Principal Investigator for the Neotropical Migratory Bird Monitoring of Riparian Habitats on the Tahoe National Forest project sponsored by the US Forest Service from 1991 to 2007.

@Nockit1 @DaleGribble_666 @priscian @ammocrypta @Michael_D_Crow @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Kenneth72712993 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics @Nockit1, how many replies do you see to this tweet?


Twitter tells me there are two (presumably mine and one other), yet I can only see one, even from an alternate account.

That seems to happen a lot, lately.

https://twitter.com/Nockit1/status/1694047585927847954

@Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics With perfectly still water ("the absence of mixing") it might be possible, with time, for downwelling IR to heat the the "top 0.01 mm" above the temperature of the rest of the water. But the sea is never perfectly still, so it doesn't matter at what depth radiation is absorbed.

@Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics If you're unconvinced, then do an experiment: very carefully and gently add a small drop of food coloring at the surface of a gently sloshing container of water. See how long the food coloring stays in the top 1 mm.

@Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics The rate at which the water surface loses thermal energy (heat content) is determined by its temperature. Since absorption of 1 W/m² IR and absorption of 1 W/m² visible light leave the surface at the same temperature, they also result in the same rate of energy loss.

@Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics Ken thinks 1 W/m² of IR from GHGs warms the ocean less than 1 W/m² of visible light, because he thinks heat added to the water by the IR is confined to the top 0.01mm, and it is immediately lost. That could only be true if the surface skin were warmer than the rest of the water.

@Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics How well do you think one of those 10½ foot deep solar ponds would work if you constantly stirred it?

@ScienceBlog3 @Michael_D_Crow @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics The reason stirring accelerates cooling is that the top surface is generally cooler than the rest of the water, rather than warmer. Stirring equalizes temps and makes the surface skin warmer than it otherwise would have been, which accelerates heat loss.

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1694450128818466968

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @Nockit1 @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity BTW, it was 25 months ago when I wrote, "Now they show 1934 as 0.10°C cooler than 1998."

Now they show 1934 as 0.12°C cooler than 1998.



Somehow, temperature data which was collected 25 & 89 years ago keeps changing.data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs…

@Kenneth72712993 @Michael_D_Crow @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics So a tripling of CO2 would yield log2(3)× = 1.585× that, which is a radiative forcing of 4.75 W/m² at TOA, or about 3.65 W/m² at ground level.
google.com/search?q=log2%…

@Kenneth72712993 @Michael_D_Crow @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 3. Also, your 1000 W/m² figure is about right for solar radiation at ground level when the sun is directly overhead + solar radiation absorbed in the atmosphere. But averaged over the entire globe and over 24 hours it's only about 1/4 of that.

@Kenneth72712993 @Michael_D_Crow @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 4. Also, "CO2 must triple to 1,071 ppm" is an odd number. In plain English, "CO2 tripled" would mean 3×420 = 1260 ppmv. Or in new-climate-speak it would mean 3×280 = 840 ppmv. One-third of 1071 = 357, which is what the CO2 level was in 1993.
sealevel.info/co2.html

@Kenneth72712993 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 2/4〕I say "obviously" because:

1. Evaporative cooling ("latent heat of evaporation") cannot transfer ANY energy to space. Only radiation can do that. AND,

@Kenneth72712993 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 3/4〕
2. Rate of evaporative cooling is affected by many factors, including water temp, air temp, relative humidity, wind, etc. Of those factors, only water temperature is affected by LW IR, and it's affected EXACTLY the same by absorbing other wavelengths.

@Kenneth72712993 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 4/4〕

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1694277566855512136

@Mark_A_Lunn @ScienceBlog3 @Willard1951 @Anvndarnamn5 @IcnirpMick @InspirallPE @jpgcrowley @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @Nockit1 @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics Or, do you prefer to focus on recent trends?
If you think recent warming is abnormal you should be able to easily tell which of these two half-century "mostly-warming periods" was mainly due to natural causes, and which was presumably mainly anthropogenic:
sealevel.info/1895-1946_1957…

@BurgessPark2 @MartinJBern @IcnirpMick @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity Except in very rarified air above the stratosphere, if a CO2 molecule absorbs a LW IR photon, and is thereby warmed (vibrationally excited), it usually gives up that energy by collision with another air molecule. But such xfers don't change avg air temperature or heat content.

@BurgessPark2 @MartinJBern @IcnirpMick @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 2/3》In the absence of collisions with other air molecules, CO2 molecules vibrationally excited with 82.66 meV of energy each would, on average, retain that energy for about one second before losing it by emitting a 15 µm photon. (I was surprised to learn that it's that long!)

@BurgessPark2 @MartinJBern @IcnirpMick @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Nockit1 @Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 3/3》Note, too, that CO2 molecules don't just gain energy by absorbing radiation and lose it collisionally. The opposite also happens: They also gain energy collisionally, from other air molecules, and they also (less frequently) lose it by emission of photons.

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @Nockit1 @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 2/5. Hansen's Figure 6 was for the U.S., not global, so it's USHCN data we need. Your link is for GHCN.

First we just need the data which he graphed in his Figure 6. As far as I can tell it's just gone (tho I digitized the graph).

sealevel.info/GISS_FigD/1999…
sealevel.info/fig1x_1999_hig…

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @Nockit1 @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 3/5. Note that Hansen's 1999 "Figure 6" graph predated the the undocumented revisions which erased most of the 1934->1998 cooling.
sealevel.info/fig1x_1999_hig…

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @Nockit1 @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 4/5. To understand the revisions, we first need to be able to reproduce the unrevised (1999) version. That requires two things:
1. The "raw" USHCH data BEFORE it was revised. And,
2. Hansen's code and/or sufficient documentation to reproduce his Fig.6 from the data.

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @Nockit1 @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 5/5. I don't think you can find any of that lost material: neither the averaged USHCN data which Hansen graphed, nor the raw data from which he computed it, nor an adequate description of how he computed it, to enable reproducing it.

As far as I can tell, it's all just gone.

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 2/4. Hansen 1999 showed 1998 as 0.54°C cooler than 1934.
Here's GISS's current version, showing 1998 as 0.12°C warmer than 1934.
DATA:

GRAPH:

data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs…
data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs…
sealevel.info/GISS_FigD_2023…

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 3/4. One slight differenced between Hansen's 1999 graph (on the left) and the 2001 "raw" graph (on the right) is that Hansen used "meteorological years" (Dec-to-Nov) instead of calendar years (Jan-to-Dec). That shifts December data to the following year.
sealevel.info/fig1x_1999_hig…

@DaleGribble_666 @priscian @ScienceBlog3 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Willard1951 @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity 4/4. But that cannot cause the sort of "hockey-stick-ification" (straightening the "handle") which happened through revisions to the data, as illustrated by this blink-comparator (by the late John Daly):
john-daly.com/giss-wig.gif

@Kenneth72712993 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 2/2. No, there's no "magnitude problem" with CO2. The fact that other factors have large effects on temperatures does not "wipe out CO2's effects."

The warming from add'l CO2 is modest and benign, but not zero.

If you want me to look at Wrong & Minnett 2018 pls provide a URL.

@ScienceBlog3 @priscian @RichardLWeiss @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 2/2. They also say that doubling CO2 would change the radiation balance at the surface by ≈2%.

That's also wrong. Doubling CO2 would add only about 2.40 W/m² to the ≈500 W/m² average radiation absorbed at the surface (2/3 of which is downwelling LW IR).
sealevel.info/Radiative_Forc…

@ScienceBlog3 @priscian @Willard1951 @DaleGribble_666 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @BenKoby1911 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity As for Dale's claim that "Full information about GISS USA/global temperature revisions has been up on the NASA/GISS web-site for years," it's demonstrably wrong. There are only (imprecise) descriptions of changes made AFTER the right-hand graph version:

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1695052740735438856

@Mark_A_Lunn @RichardLWeiss @BenKoby1911 @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics Like the other climate industry FUD, about other imaginary harms from #ClimateChange, the claim that carbon emissions and consequent climate change exacerbate fires is false.

In the inflammatory language of climate activists, it's science denial.

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1695618598452986193

@ejwwest @Michael_D_Crow @Mark_A_Lunn @S_D_Mannix @DaleGribble_666 @ScienceBlog3 @BenKoby1911 @priscian @Willard1951 @Con2704 @Vieux_Rhone @RichardLWeiss @Kenneth72712993 @Veritatem2021 @Anvndarnamn5 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity Objectively, most of the Earth is much too cold. That's why scientists call the periods of warmest climate "Climate Optimums."

Cold kills far more people than heat does. But it would kill a LOT more people without the oil industry


thelancet.com/journals/lance…

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1670083998087823362

@BenKoby1911 @RichardLWeiss @Mark_A_Lunn @balls95652097 @Kenneth72712993 @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @ScienceBlog3 @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics We could say similar things about the Eemian interglacial climate optimum's peak. As you can see here, NOAA estimated it to be about 3¼°C warmer than the HCO, but data about temps back then is very rough.

I annotated 2 NOAA graphs:

sealevel.info/eemian_peak_3C…
sealevel.info/Temperature-ch…

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epic.awi.de/id/eprint/1863…
sealevel.info/Schirrmeister2…

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @BenKoby1911 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Michael_D_Crow @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @emilio97493490 @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @InspirallPE @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @Mark_A_Lunn @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @JimBlack48 @Jaisans @CarrudoDon @LiveLifeBK24 @TheDisproof @Joeyd87745119 @Hji45519156 @waxliberty @SuperFoxyLoxy @antonioguterres @rattibha You asked me to "provide evidence that modern ice cores do NOT have CO2 values that deviate from air CO2." So I did. I showed you the data. And your reaction is: How do I know they didn't lie?

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @BenKoby1911 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Michael_D_Crow @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @emilio97493490 @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @InspirallPE @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @Mark_A_Lunn @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @JimBlack48 @Jaisans @CarrudoDon @LiveLifeBK24 @TheDisproof @Joeyd87745119 @Hji45519156 @waxliberty @SuperFoxyLoxy @antonioguterres @rattibha You could say the same thing about ANY evidence: How do I know the scientists didn't lie?

If measurements don't agree with your preconceptions, it means the measurements must be wrong, or fabricated, or cherry-picked, eh?

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @BenKoby1911 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Michael_D_Crow @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @emilio97493490 @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @InspirallPE @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @Mark_A_Lunn @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @JimBlack48 @Jaisans @CarrudoDon @LiveLifeBK24 @TheDisproof @Joeyd87745119 @Hji45519156 @waxliberty @SuperFoxyLoxy @antonioguterres @rattibha You know, that's EXACTLY how climate alarmists usually respond when I show them the proof that most of the best sea-level measurement records show little or no acceleration in the last ninety years.
sealevel.info/learnmore.html

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @BenKoby1911 @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Michael_D_Crow @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @emilio97493490 @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @InspirallPE @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @Anvndarnamn5 @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @Mark_A_Lunn @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @JimBlack48 @Jaisans @CarrudoDon @LiveLifeBK24 @TheDisproof @Joeyd87745119 @Hji45519156 @waxliberty @SuperFoxyLoxy @antonioguterres @rattibha They accuse me of lying, or cherry-picking, because they trust their prejudices more than they trust real world measurements. Such evidence has little influence on their beliefs.

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1363436599367897090

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 2/8. Note that Wong & Minnett didn't measure IR from CO2, they just mentioned it in passing. For their work they used IR from clouds, instead.

What's more, elsewhere in the paper they cited the IPCC's (too high) 3.7 W/m² (at TOA) per doubling figure.
sealevel.info/Wong_and_Minne…

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arxiv.org/pdf/2006.03098…
sealevel.info/vanWijingaarde…

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 4/8. An odd caveat in your Wong & Minnett excerpt is, "Assuming still waters." That's a strange assumption, because still water is rare in the ocean.

https://twitter.com/ncdave4life/status/1694277566855512136

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 5/8. Since the ocean is constantly sloshing & churning it doesn't matter at what depth photons are absorbed. A photon's heating effect is simply its energy: 1.9864459×10⁻²⁵ J·m / λ

Some people suppose that radiation absorbed at the TSL just evaporates the water. They're wrong.

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 6/8. To evaporate a single molecule of liquid water at 25°C would require the amount of energy provided by absorption of nearly 5.8 billion 15 µm photons.

In fact, it takes absorbing 9.4 million 15 µm photons per H2O molecule merely to raise the temperature of water 1°C.

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 7/8. Moreover, Wong & Minnett refute the notion that energy absorbed in the skin layer is immediately lost, preventing it from warming the water:

(LH = latent heat and SH = sensible heat) sealevel.info/Wong_and_Minne…

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics 8/8. Because the ocean is constantly churning, by the time a molecule of water in the TSL could have absorbed enough radiative energy to evaporate it, it's long gone from the TSL. So radiation absorbed in the TSL simply warms the water, just like visual wavelength light does.

@Kenneth72712993 @ScienceBlog3 @RichardLWeiss @Anvndarnamn5 @Michael_D_Crow @ammocrypta @Data79504085 @BenKoby1911 @emilio97493490 @InspirallPE @Mark_A_Lunn @ChrisBBacon3 @SpiruSensei @DenisDaly @WernerReinhard5 @controscience @Willard1951 @Fynnderella1 @SapientHetero @Veritatem2021 @C_R_O_M________ @balls95652097 @S_D_Mannix @Devonian1342 @AndreGrossza @Climatehope2 @S_Metzeler @priscian @3GHtweets @PvtMcAuslan @EdwardRiffle @AuroriaEn @JusticeTrudeau @judgementalbe1 @AristotleMrs @Coleski14 @wallytoms0 @LesserMegadeath @BillPrecht @DiseaseMatters @CoralReefFish @DavidJSuggett @CoralResearch @SteinhartBart @CoralMorph @ConnTrinity @reefgenomics Tweetstorm compilation:


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