people write entire books about the salem witch trials without explaining why someone would point blank tell people they were a witch traveling to black sabbaths and hanging with demons
men confessed to being werewolves. they literally were like “i am actually a werewolf”.
reflection: many cultures have some form of what we call shamanism wherein people use psychoactive plants to interact with spirits and do what they call magic, and such things
question: what was this in western culture?
the answer when i return from reading a book to a tiny man
alright sorry to keep the crew waiting. it was requested that i read this text. fitting, as it also takes place in new england.
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to keep it brief, consider that the conventional narrative of the salem witch trials fits very well into modern narratives: religion bad, people in the past are stupid, large groups of people are often prone to total hysteria - its very easy to accept and fits in perfectly.
to answer the above question, a missing piece of most people’s understanding of western cultural archetypes, in my opinion, is that western culture has an indigenous form of shamanism. its embodied in the witch. the witch is basically the shaman of europe, if you think about it.
if “witch” were a gender neutral term, this would be more obvious. but its not, so, in my opinion, this is rarely fully realized. theres a lot we could go into there but lets keep it moving
many parts of that archetype such as potions, charms, etc., have a real historical aspect
that real historical aspect, and this whole tale, dovetails with what psychoactive substances were available to people in europe, and later, colonial america.
last piece of hard info is between two classes of drugs: psychedelics and deliriants / dissociatives.
not looking up which D term im thinking of, sorry. those days are behind me.
the relevant distinction here is that on psychedelics you almost always know youre on drugs.
on deliriants, you do not. thats a big difference for ethnographic study purposes. example:
someone takes mushrooms. they see their blanket patterns moving. 99% of the time, they are aware that this is a hallucination.
on a deliriant, if you are in your closet hallucinating that you are at 7/11, you actually think you are at 7/11.
okay. so, whats the point.
the point is that deliriants, what i would call solanaceous plants like… datura, henbane, belladonna… etc., were available to there people (western culture) (wypipo) (and beyond but, we’re not talking about that)
so, thats the missing piece. people were using those plants
but
it goes beyond that, because apparently (how you explain that apparently is going to depend on your metaphysics), the experience isnt random. it has certain patterns and archetypes, such as: flying, shadow people, going to dark “events”, basically all the “witch stuff”.
so, people were making ointments out of these plants and using them and hallucinating that they were doing witch stuff (flying around, meeting demons, etc). however, the crucial distinction is that they were not aware that this was a drug experience. they didnt know that.
from their point of view, they’d put the ointment on in a barn, then fly out of the barn, and go on a journey.
in “real life” they would just pass out on the floor of the barn.
thats why they told people they were witches doing that stuff. they actually thought that they were.
this is documented in a book called ‘hallucinogens and shamanism’ by michael harner, which is mostly about ayahuasca, but has one chapter on… this (in the middle).
lets look at some primary sources
this was written in the late 1600s. here its described as an oil, not an ointment:
lady alice kyteler in 1324 also describes an ointment. we’ll get to some more solid examples, but you can see its at least very old
in case you cant understand, this is saying she sat on a staff - like you see witches sitting on a broom. they sat on objects like that:
sitting on a staff (or broom, or rod) with your feet off the ground confers a feeling of levity and weightlessness, which facilitates the (drug) experience (ie you feel like youre flying or riding something).
theres also another non PG-13 reason. ointment, absorbed quickly… k.
alright lets just cut to the chase. theres a lot of examples of the staff or them sitting in baskets or things like that.
this guy in the 1690s just lays it out.
lets note that this is a firsthand account that does not fit any conventional understanding of this phenomenon:
this woman tells the priest she is a witch and travels at night. she isnt tortured or falsely accused and sets out to prove it to the priest, who watches her attempt to do it:
if you only read one read this one.
in 1545, the physician to pope julius the third describes the ointment and its effects after a couple was arrested for witchcraft
(very notable ending)
okay this is already kind of long so i will extremely briefly explicate the material reality of lycanthropy, which is the proper term for werewolfism.
for a variety of reasons, you can speculate, the effects can be different for men and women and tend to cluster on either end.
although men had the “witch experience” (flying, black sabbath), more often men had the experience of transforming into animals like wolves
aside from humor thats part of why i selected a few with sex above. kind of makes sense men would have a more violent type of hallucination
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what is not explicated here is “the girdle”. as women would do things to heighten the sensation of flying, men would wear animal pelts in places where their limbs touched their torso (or places like that) so theyd feel the fur while moving and facilitate the hallucination:
as promised above here is an example (1602) of a man imprisoned who professes to actually have the ability to become a wolf but says he cant do it without the ointment:
last note, in 1521 a guy in france confessed to the church (like in a court) that he actually killed and ate people while he was a wolf (oops)
as you never know who is reading what you write online, i will say two things. a) obviously i would say it is very logical to assume that there is some metaphysical or spiritual aspect at play here, whether they are “pure hallucinations”, or not, or some middle ground.
b) i suppose its relevant, i have personally seen and handled ointments that are like these or that are recreations of these.
the plants described here are actually super dangerous - like, if you cut yourself while on them, you wont know you cut yourself. its at “that level” so, there is no safe way to use them in any way. they kill people. just thought id mention that.
real religion history hours
thanks for reading my thread
threads like this often leave my usual orbit (thanks), so if we have not met, i often deal with atypical american / christian religion topics. here is: my dog and calvinism, or another new england file (thread below)
im also releasing a book late november / early december
@DanielSWise someone robs a bank. if you explain why they did that, its interpreted as you defending them. people have careers - and people that dedicate their lives to studying things like witchcraft or psychedelics academically are already predisposed to being sympathetic to those things.
@DanielSWise theres nothing wrong with that in and of itself, i guess, but flip it onto yourself. discard all the accounts i posted as pure fabrications. why the consistent specific details combined with specific plants that actually induce these types of hallucinations?
@DanielSWise because people actually were using the plants in that way. thats the only explanation.
so then youd have to say that the existence of all that played no role in the historical situation. also implausible. thats all im asserting: theres a material reality people are ignorant of.
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today i flew to nyc. a guy tells me they just implemented a program where, to drive into lower manhattan, you have to pay $9. its to ease traffic congestion.
why is this unethical? well, if youre familiar with the work of B.F. skinner, its very easy to explain.
here’s why: […]
skinner himself wouldnt have seen this as unethical, but would have clearly recognized it as a form of operant conditioning (conditioning operants, changing people’s volitional actions) - as opposed to classical conditioning (pavlov’s dogs drooling)
can we find it on this chart?
the average person would intuitively see this as some type of punishment. thats what it obviously feels like: you drive into manhattan, you’re punished by having to pay $9. that makes perfect sense.
but its not. in terms of behavior modification, thats not what it is at all.
it's fascinating how quickly a culture's conception of a topic can change. an entire civilization can basically forget or remember large pieces of its own history.
one of the first recent psychologists to treat the phenomenon of self-harm is a guy named steven levenkron.
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of course the phenomenon of self-harm had probably gotten people referred to psychologists for some time. however, when he told his colleagues he was opening a practice specifically focusing on people who engaged in self-mutilation, he got an interesting response from them.
essentially it was that: those people are failed suicides, and we already have a whole network and practice dealing with that.
this is interesting because it means that, up until very recently (he wrote a book about this in 1998), self-harm was viewed as failed suicide attempts
every aspect of having a pregnant wife is almost designed to be a thought experiment that illuminates 1000 aspects of our culture that are always there, but mostly invisible - and therefore difficult to grab until they’re impressing upon you - then suddenly, they’re right there.
consider: the due date. how do they know what day your baby is supposed to be born? well, they give you this date. they don’t tell you, generally (lets presume not out of malevolence) that something like 5% of babies are actually born on their due date. almost no one knows this.
so, your wife naturally tells people this, because everyone asks. if she doesnt tell them (maybe she says “late november”) people flag it as weird. “late november? what do you mean? they didn’t give you a date?”. okay. now you’re kind of crypto-hassling my wife. lets ignore that.
one thing i've enjoy about the internet is getting a window into aspects of people's story that they would never share in normal everyday life. if you're interested here's one of mine.
my life changed forever here, off the main street in burlington vermont. it looks like this:
i was somewhere around my early teens, in a bookstore. i looked up on a bookshelf and saw a purple book spine. i just grabbed it. there was some feeling of providence about this book. i was called to take this book from the shelf.
this is the book. it's called stencil pirates.
it's about doing graffiti with stencils. the idea is that you cut a design into a hard surface, then spray paint it, and the paint just goes through the part you cut out, leaving your image. pretty simple.
if, at some point, you lived around a TV, you may be familiar with ‘festivus’: a holiday george costanza’s father created on seinfeld. as a resident atypical american religion enjoyer, let’s take a slightly academic religious ethnography pass over this (there will be magic).
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festivus is presented as a holiday created by george’s father as a reaction against commercialism. this holiday is then actually celebrated, and becomes a family tradition.
consciously crafting religion - live. a joke, but its real. is there an existing framework for this? yes.
discordianism is the exact meeting point for the above concepts. it is basically a joke religion, started by nerds, who found religion interesting. the dense node at the center being - if people actually “do it”, in terms of religious scholarship - then its real. it becomes real.