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Sep 13, 2023 13 tweets 6 min read Read on X
P.Oxy. 5575 has been all the buzz in NT studies and the amount of stuff written about it is piling up, so here's a thread summarizing everything written/spoken on P.Oxy. 5575 so far

(for my benefit, as much as for yours!)

🧵... Image posted by Stephen Carlson on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/11404207692/permalink/10159060501827693/
The papyrus was published on Aug 31, 2023, in volume 87 of the Oxyrhynchus Papyri (pp. 6-14) as no. 5575 and entitled "Sayings of Jesus"

It was edited by Jeffrey Fish, Dan Wallace, and Mike Holmes

DM me if you'd like to see a copy of the publication Image
I think Mike Holmes (one of the editors of P.Oxy. 5575) wrote the best overall article that is widely accessible to those who don't know Greek (), and he provided an English translation: bit.ly/44M3IBD
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Holmes is especially helpful when he reflects on why the fragment is important, but also being careful with the unknowns Image
The first article was published on August 31 by @candidamoss who says: "The significance of the fragment lies in its date and contents" dated to 2nd cent. (we only have a few MSS that early), and it contains a mixture of canonical & non-canonical material

bit.ly/3EAja9B
@pjgurry has 2 posts at the ETC blog:

(1) An overview, with both 2012 & 2023 photos (August 31):

(2) A synopsis of P.Oxy. 5575, Matt, Luke, and Thomas in Greek (Sept 12): where he's skeptical of including Luke bit.ly/3PoJXe2
bit.ly/44NhdB7

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On Sept 4, Dan Wallace reflected on his role in publishing P.Oxy. 5575 and is impressed with its early date: late-2nd or early-3rd cent.

everyone has been saying 2nd cent., but Wallace says late-2nd or early-3rd, and similarly in the publication (p. 6)

bit.ly/3PCgUVz

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Mark @goodacre released a 14-minute podcast on Sept 12, along with his own Synopsis in English (see links on the webpage below)

bit.ly/3Rhm5eD
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On Sept 9, Brent Nongbri wrote on the palaeography & dating of P.Oxy. 5575; he was slightly skeptical about the 2nd cent. dating

he's especially helpful in providing images of MSS with similar handwriting as P.Oxy. 5575 that are dated to 2nd cent.

bit.ly/44UQrXw
There has been some limited discussion of P.Oxy. 5575 on the Textkit Greek and Latin Forums since Sept 5...

bit.ly/48f6gLB
Finally, from Sept 6, the Bible Unboxed youtube channel has a 2 minute, 42 second video with English translation and some commentary

bit.ly/44ROMSw
Did I miss anything?
UPDATE #1: @pjgurry commented on FB: "It should be added that Mark Goodacre pointed out that if the ανε in line 1 (recto) is the ἀπέθανε of GTh 63.3 then the *order* of sayings is following Luke 12"

And links to a thread by Mark Goodacre:

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apparently, people really resonated with my critique of Dan Wallace's Greek grammar, so it might be worth expanding upon it

here are a few more words of critique & praise for Wallace...
(1) First, some praise: I still like Wallace's grammar and no one should dismiss it as out-dated or completely wrong methodologically.

It's technically an "exegetical syntax," so he works through so many examples that even if you disagree w/ him, it's still worth consulting
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but they don't work though as many examples as Wallace, and even the examples they do have, their discussion is usually always brief and not as detailed as Wallace
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I became overzealous to meticulously categorize every word/phrase of the GNT 😬

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