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Lich / Barber Trial Day 16
Friday October 13, 2023
10:00 am Courtroom #5

Just waiting for counsel to arrive.

We have three interpreters currently being sworn in.

Crown Attorney will have a few more questions for the witness.

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ if anyone is concerned, there is a therapy dog in the room - looks like it is being trained.

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : has sworn in.

Crown Attorney: “ yesterday before we left for the day I had started to ask you about any contact about any of the protesters, if you could describe any interactions as they happened.

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ people mocked us because we were wearing a mask. I mentioned my child had to walk 1.5 Kms in his hockey gear including his skates.

Crown Attorney: “ how many times did you have these interactions

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I can say exactly, but I would say about 10

Crown Attorney: “ yesterday you mentioned hearing fireworks

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ yes

Crown Attorney: “ do you recall how many times you heard them

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ about a dozen

Crown Attorney: “ how many times did you hear it

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I answered about a dozen times

Crown Attorney: “ how many days of fireworks

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ about 7 or 8

Crown Attorney: “ you mentioned there wan an injunction that said no noise after 11 pm, and you said it continued a few days later at all hours of the night. Can you tell me those times

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ after 11 pm until about 3 am

Crown Attorney: “ what did you hear at these times

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ honking, engines, people celebrating in the streets.

Crown Attorney: “ what were you doing at this time

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ trying to sleep, some times
It worked sometimes it didn’t

Crown Attorney: “ those are my questions your honour.

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ should we flip a coin?

Defence Counsel Magas: I have a few questions.

Good morning sir, just on the last answer you gave, you agree with me after the injunction that was ordered on the 7 of February it would be very sporadic

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ yes

Defence Counsel Magas: what you heard at night what i will suggest to you, after the injunction it would have been fireworks and an revving of engines and not horns. Do you have dates precisely you heard honking.

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : as I said it was several days later. So feb 11

Defence Counsel Magas: how long

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ how do you want in minutes, seconds or hours

Defence Counsel Magas: however you want

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ 1.5 hours

Defence Counsel Magas: you testified you had to walk 1.5 km on foot

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ yes

Defence Counsel Magas: where did you park

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ on Bronson

Defence Counsel Magas: where?

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I don’t know

Defence Counsel Magas: you had to retrieve your car

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ yes

Defence Counsel Magas: where was it ?

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ on Bronson

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ do
You know the intersection

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ No I don’t know, I am was temporarily living here

Defence Counsel Magas: why did you not bring bring boots in the car

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ there was no need to bring boots

Defence Counsel Magas: so you chose not to bring boots?

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I didn’t need them

Defence Counsel Magas: so if you got in a car accident he would have to walk on skates

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ no why would I have him
Walk on the highway

Defence Counsel Magas: well you are stranded so

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I would call for help?

Defence Counsel Magas: when was this?

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I don’t know

Defence Counsel Magas: before or after the injunction

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I would say before

Defence Counsel Magas: so you said the traffic was moving slowly

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ no I said it wasn’t moving at

Defence Counsel Magas: how did you get to and from your home if traffic was not moving

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ Bronson

Defence Counsel Magas: how did you see all these blocked roads?

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ with my eyes and GPS

Defence Counsel Magas: a moment your honour.

Defence Counsel Magas: exhibit 117 is what i am going to show you.

Showing an image from looks like a drone image

Defence Counsel Magas:
Do you recall seeing this image?

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I’m not sure

Defence Counsel Magas: im going to suggest to you that is Lyon St and laurier St.

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ is that laurier to the left

Defence Counsel Magas:
Zoomed in - do you recognize this corner

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ I’m not sure - it could be the minto suites, but I don’t know

Defence Counsel Magas: this photo was taken Feb 4, 2022
Provided by OPS. Just to situate you, Feb 4 is before the injunction. So when you look at that photo where the trucks were parked, would you agree with me that’s how the trucks were parked around that dates

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ there were more trucks on laurier

Defence Counsel Magas: we don’t see laurier because it is hidden by the buildings, you mean slater and lyon

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ there were more trucks on slater and laurier

Defence Counsel Magas: but you agree the trucks here represent the area

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ No I disagree I’m not sure of
The dates

Defence Counsel Magas: but you agree on Lyon this was the amount of trucks

Witness Mr Stephane Bellfoy : “ yes

Defence Counsel Magas: those are my questions.

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ Defence Counsel Greenspon?

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ I have no questions for this witness

Crown Attorney not re-examining

Next witness is being sworn in.

Chantal Biro

Crown Attorney: “ I am going to ask that we speak at a slow
pace, makes recorders upset.

Crown Attorney: “ I
Understand you run a retail business

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ that’s correct

Crown Attorney: “ it’s in the market

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ yes

Crown Attorney: “ running a women’s upscale on Sussex Drive, I do online, I serve to great customers. It’s a pleasant work environment. It travel the world buying clothes.

Crown Attorney: “ so you mentioned online

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ yes I see online and all over the world

Crown Attorney: “ when you are working where do you do that

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ at my shop on Sussex Drive

Crown Attorney: “ when I ask
About what you see and hear, it is during Jan / Feb 2022

Did you work at the shop during that time frame ?

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ I was in the shop 7 days a week.

Crown Attorney: “ how many hours a day?

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ about 5-6 hours

Crown Attorney: “ can you say at what time those hours were worked

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ around 11 am until 5-6 pm

Crown Attorney: “ how do you get to work

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ drive

....(Inaudible)... I missed a question

Crown Attorney: “ what distance is the parking garage and your shop

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “
About a block and a half

Crown Attorney: “ you said you had the opportunity to walk around but you didn’t

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ no I didn’t feel safe because I was wearing a mask and they would say things to me
We were supposed to be wearing a mask at the times

Crown Attorney: “ what would you hear

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ horns, music and people yelling freedom, a lot of swearing and the F word being yelled out especially about Trudeau.

Crown Attorney: “ you mentioned constant blaring can you say where

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : mainly Rideau and Sussex

Crown Attorney: “ can you compare what you smelled

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ gas, cigarettes, weed, gasoline and fumes and exhausts. I was called a “fucking cunt” our streets were taken over by “so-called protesters”

She is describing what she saw - flags, maga phones, trucks …..

Upside down flags, fuck trudeau flags ….

she is explaining loss of ales and shipments

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ your honour i don’t see how this isn’t impact

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ it may be relevant to the section 430

Crown Attorney: “ did you notice changes is it shipments

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ sorry I understood you question to mean stuff to ship to me

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ perhaps the Crown can let her finish her question

Some back and forth about loss of business etc. Crown Attorney asked if her expenses

Crown Attorney: “ those are my questions

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ can we have earlier break.

Defence Counsel:” asking questions about if
The people who called her “a fucking cunt” is Tamara Lich.

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ no it wasn’t it was another woman

Defence Counsel Younes:” back to the class action, for your business

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ I’m not sure of the specifics of the class action. Is there more than one ?

Defence Counsel Younes:” the 300 million class action for Paul champ

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ yes

Discussions about where she was parked for work, and deliveries were cancelled.

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ I didn’t say it was cancelled
About 4

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ so they were delayed …

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ yes

Defence Counsel Younes:” so you did receive your shipments

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ yes but not when I needed them

Defence Counsel Younes:” did you contact the police?

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ no

Defence Counsel Magas: do you recall when those deliveries were to arrive

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ the most important one was late

Defence Counsel Magas: when was this delivery expected

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ early January

Defence Counsel Younes:” early January?

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ yes around there

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ but there were delays due to the pandemic

Witness Ms Chantal Biro : “ no not for me

Defence Counsel Younes:” thank you those are my questions

Crown Attorney has no questions.

Justice Perkins-McVey: dismisses the witness.

Next witnesses

Natalie Huneault

Crown Attorney: “ you are currently employed by OC transpo - business and events coordination, what does that mean

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ assist with events with a race, like race weekend, and demonstrations

Crown Attorney: “ what do you mean demonstrations

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ anything that would affect the flow of traffic

Crown Attorney: “ how is the public advised of interruptions

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ twitter, Facebook, community BIA, like Bank street BIA

Crown Attorney: “ what is BIA

Witness Natalie Huneault : “business improvement association

Crown Attorney: “ how long in your role

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ three and a half years now

Crown Attorney: “ leaving the convoy aside, what’s the longest event you have had to manage.

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ Italian fest, about 3 days. Friday to Monday.

Crown Attorney: “ you said impact to service, what does that mean

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ when roads closed or activities taking place that doesn’t allow us our regular pattern…

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ or when the LRT isn’t working ‼️‼️ 😂

(No one in the room heard this - I seemed to be the only one who snickered 🤭)

Crown Attorney and Witness Natalie Huneault are discussing the buses and the routes, the interprovincial buses - STO etc. (pretty dry)

Crown Attorney: “ explain how the convoy impacted the service.

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ listing off all the streets that were affected.

Crown Attorney: “ what kind of impacts

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ witness lists the removal of
and the services and what streets.

SIDEBAR - All the routes and buses that were effected, all the roads are being rhymed off, types of buses. I will spare you all the boring details.

My tweets aren’t loading- recess for lunch - back at 2:20

We are back

Crown Attorney: “ asking about specific closures

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ talking about rideau station closed doors

Crown Attorney: “ did you see these doors closed

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ no

Okay they are going on about transportation and LRT ….

SIDEBAR - Chris Barber is currently petting Kaboom the emotional support dog in the courtroom.

Crown Attorney: “ we’re you present for any meetings during

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ yes the NCRCC meetings for the event

Crown Attorney: “ were you at all of them

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ I would say the majority of them

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ are you party of the WhatsApp group?

Crown Attorney: “ your honour that was PLT with the Police

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ No I am referring to the ones Mr. Ayotte testified to.

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ No I am not part of any management WhatsApp group

SIDEBAR - Justice Perkins-McVey 🎯 is ON THE BALL! 🏀 This is one very skilled Judge!

Crown Attorney: “ at NCRCC who made decisions to close roadways

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ I think Ottawa Police

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ do you know who at Ottawa Police?

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ no I don’t

Now discussing her shifts during the convoy.

She thinks the “event”
Was jan 28 - Feb 24

Now discussing the detours.

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ you described the LRT is a service?

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ yes

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ do you know what a service is

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ yes

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ you understand you are under oath?

SIDEBAR - Judge smirks

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ so it was the police decision

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ well it was because of the trucks

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ no my question is the police made the decision

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ well I don’t know

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ okay, so we’re going to get into it”

Did you say to detective benson in his investigation and I quote “I did not make those decisions it was ottawa police

Witness Natalie Huneault : silent

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ so it was ottawa police

Witness Natalie Huneault : takes forever to simply say “yes”

Defence Counsel Magas: so it was your decision to re-route the bus and the real answer is because of the road closures

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ can you specify “real closure”

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ you were not asked about the re-routing of the buses

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ they were re-routed due to road closures

Defence Counsel Magas: what is the O train

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ is the LRT system

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “and O-train the same thing?

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ yes

Defence Counsel Magas:
Cement jersey barriers you put those there?

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ coordinated effort with ops and traffic services

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ just a moment your honour

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ those are my questions.

Defence Counsel Younes:” there are other reasons that buses need to be re-routed? Like construction

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ yes

Defence Counsel Younes:” and like the sinkhole a few years ago

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ yes

Defence Counsel Younes:” so you don’t know if temporary stops added

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ I don’t recall

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ it makes sense if you change the route

Witness Natalie Huneault : “ the temporary stop
And detour stops are different

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ how about you explain it to me, I don’t take public transit

SIDEBAR - this wasn’t the Judge being “better”- she is a Judge this is a safety thing - they don’t even park in the same places as you and I or use the same elevators in the courthouse. 😉

Defence Counsel Younes:” that is the all my questions. “

Crown Attorney: is asking a question about exactly what streets were closed because she said a different street was closed in cross

Crown Attorney: “ that is all my questions.

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ you may leave to the witness

Crown Attorney: “ no further evidence for today. Can we adjourn until attend Monday at 10:15

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ we made an email in writing for disclosure on Tuesday that we still have not received 434 emails

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ where is that in disclosure

Crown Attorney: “ we are going through the material and deems some of
It irrelevant

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ will disclosure be ready to give to them at 5pm

Crown Attorney: “ no

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ I am going to be in a position where I have them these arise from the signal chats and decide “well it’s not relevant is quite rich”

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ is telling Crown Attorney to disclose to prepare for PLT … and we don’t want to spend the week dealing with that issue

Defence Counsel Magas: JORDAN IS VERY MUCH AN ISSUE HERE YOUR HONOUR ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️🤭‼️‼️‼️

Justice Perkins-McVey: “ I have made my schedule I am flexible ….

Crown Attorney: “ we are in discussions with trial coordination.

Crown Attorney: “ we have not received our transcript

Defence Counsel Magas: we got ours

Defence Counsel Greenspon: “ we got ours, I am checking your transcript for relevance ….

🤣🤣🤣🤣 COURTROOM LAUGHS🤣🤣🤣🤣

Adjourned until Monday at 10:15

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