I am headed back to the office after yet another long day in court that ended with a bang, not a whimper. But what was today’s latest skirmish about Judge Engoron’s principal law clerk really about? Controlling what we, the media, say and write tonight—and depriving the AG’s team of a major dunk on Eric Trump. 1/
Let me explain. Andy Amer of the AG’s office was focused on a 2021 conference call about Trump’s statement of financial condition that one participant, Patrick Birney, testified was convened to apprise Don Jr. and Eric of a change in the valuation methodology for their golf courses. 2/
Despite Eric’s agreeing that he likes Birney very much and his inability to refute Birney’s testimony, nothing Amer showed Eric shored up any recollection of the call whatsoever. 3/
That call, however, was not only just over 2 years ago, but as Amer pointed out, took place well after the AG’s investigation was underway and nearly two years after Eric Trump gave his first of two depositions related to this case. 4/
At that first, October 2020 deposition, Eric Trump took the Fifth more than 500 times, a fact that the attorney general highlighted in a Jan. 2022 court filing. 5/
And that’s where Amer was headed. He was going to show that especially once Eric perceived that he was at sufficient risk that he had to plead the Fifth hundreds of times in fall 2020, his lack of recollections as to how they handled later statements of financial condition (and related valuation changes) was not credible. 6/
That’s likely where we would have ended the day but for vociferous objections from Cliff Robert & then Chris Kise, who, in supposedly trying to shut down that line of questions sideswiped the judge’s principal law clerk. 7/
Predictably, that enraged the usually droll Engoron, and we were off to the races about a potential expansion of the gag order, the legitimacy of the notes the judge and his clerk exchange, and whether Kise’s First Amendment rights trump (no pun intended) the clerk’s right to safety. 8/
Lawyers joke if the law’s not on your side, argue the facts. If the facts aren’t on your side, argue the law. And if you’ve got neither, pound the table and yell. That’s what happened today with the added factor that Trump’s team timed their outrage to strip the AG’s team of a last, devastating word today.
Don’t buy it. As Amer himself said with a grin, today was a great day for the AG’s team, even if Don Jr.’s joviality and Eric’s stinginess disguised that at times. More on why later…. FIN.
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Eric Trump is back on the stand at the New York Attorney General’s civil fraud trial, and his temper is flaring, saying where he thinks “we’re getting tripped up” is that he did not register that the questions McConney was asking were for statements of financial condition.
Amer insists on a yes or no question; Eric concedes it appears he knew he was being asked for assistance with his father’s annual financial statements.
Later in Apr. 2013, Weisselberg tells Eric in an email that Amer shows him that he wants to delay paying off a loan in connection with Seven Springs to keep the cash balance in his dad’s financial statements were as high as possible.
NEW: Don Jr. is off the stand, having engaged in a mostly pleasant and dull back and forth with the AG’s office that was no less damning. And now, we await his taller, younger co-defendant and brother, Eric, who just strode in.
“Does everybody have their makeup on?” Engoron jokes. And now the pool photographers enter for their shots of Eric.
Andrew Amer of the AG’s office is now examining Eric, but before he started, he asked that any lengthy disputes about evidence should happen outside the witness’s earshot and that Eric should be excused if that happened.
NEW: Good morning from the New York civil fraud trial against Donald Trump, where Don Jr. and Eric just breezed by me in the security line. The trial day starts at 10 am again. I’ll be here & on @msnbc all day.
Donald Trump Jr. just took the stand again and is being shown the statement of financial condition as of June 30, 2016, which he testified that he did not help prepare and does not recall reviewing, other than in connection with preparation for his testimony. It’s dated 3/10/17.
That’s an issue because Jr. was the trustee of his dad’s trust as of that time. Just as he did not help prepare the complication of statement of financial conditions, he affirms that he is not familiar with the underlying work papers and did not help prepare it.
Trump confirms he generally recalls his work on licensing and management deals. When he brought in a deal, he got a “small piece” of the revenue from TTT Consulting, LLC, an entity he confirms paid Eric & Ivanka too.
And Kise is now on his feet, objecting that TTT Consulting is irrelevant to this case and asked that the AG move it along. Engoron echoes that request—but it’s not clear anything must or will change.
And now Faherty is showing Jr. a spreadsheet with a handwritten “OK” from Trump, which Jr. confirms is his dad’s writing. Kise is on his feet again, describing this as an “interesting sojourn,” but Faherty explains the licensing and management fees laid out here were reported in the statements of financial condition—and the kids received distributions therefrom.
NEW: Donald Trump, Jr. is back on the stand, confirming that his father restored himself as a trustee of his own trust in January 2021. He said he has no understanding of whether he was still serving as a trustee then.
Now the AG’s Colleen Faherty is showing Trump Jr. a cover email from Feb. 2022 between Alan Rosen, a Trump Org lawyer, and Alan Garten, the org’s general counsel, attaching trust-related docs.
One of those docs is Trump Jr.’s resignation as trustee and Weisselberg’s redesignation as “business trustee,” a term Trump Jr. said he did not understand.
NEW: Donald Trump Jr. confirms under oath that Allen Weisselberg was removed as his co-trustee of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust because of his indictment.
He claims he doesn’t know the specifics of why Weisselberg is no longer employed there and didn’t terminate him. Whether Eric did, he does not know.
Trump Jr. testified that his father made no decisions about the business during his presidency, but after, the AG’s Colleen Faherty asks? I’m sure he’s made some decisions about the business since 2021, Jr. explained.