Thread by @OdessaOrlewicz

Today, day 2 of the doctors judicial review against Bonnie Henry, I will be putting all notes in the comments of this post. Call in number will be in comments too.

Hopefully this is still valid for today. Sheriff seemed to think this call in info will work all week: Public access phone # if you want to listen in.  Canada toll free. 844 636 7837   Conference ID 333 268777#

Yesterday- BC nurses (re judicial review) are now saving lives in Washington, USA instead of BC because science is different there. Washington wants them. (courtesy of James Loewen.)

Judge being red pilled out of the CBC; Global news; CTV matrix. Lawyer does great job quoting numerous studies by respected doctors and scientists, stating there is no benefit transmission wise to being vaxxed (nor infection wise) Lawyer red pills judge that Bonnie’s order protects nobody, not the vulnerable -nobody.

… Peter Gall lawyer talks about how this was the government narrative as to why they were letting the unvaxxed be fired. He mentions the shifting narrative.

… Peter quotes reputable studies saying that unvaxxed do not have Covid for longer nor shed it any differently.

Both the lawyer and the judge cannot find any statements from Bonnie Henry currently that are not from outdated orders, rebutting any of the scientific facts that have been provided to her. Lawyer shows that her newest orders do not contain the same language about unvaccinated as the older orders and that she has shifted the narrative. (It’s very evident that Bonnie just does not want anyone in the hospitals that stand up to her sheer stupidity.) That last sentence was my thought. Lawyer didn’t say that out loud.

Judge looking more and more uncomfortable and it seems like he’s never read any of the studies before. He appears to be a very nice guy though and he’s being kind to the lawyer, and they are both being very respectful.

Lawyer doing a great job showing judge that there is zero difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in regards to affecting anyone in the hospitals or anywhere else. He’s proving that Bonnie’s mandate makes no sense.

The judge definitely seems to be grasping that the first two doses do nothing to save the vulnerable. The boosters are mentioned very rarely because Bonnie has not mandated them so that’s not what this case is about, although the lawyer talks about how quickly the boosters fade as well.

We seem to be getting somewhere. Judge asked Bonnie’s people to ask Bonnie to provide the studies showing that unvaxxed workers infected with Covid are sicker with more symptoms that spread to patients more than unvaxxed….

…then Peter Gall the lawyer stated that a study Bonnie referred to wherein she claims that absenteeism is worse for unvaxxed (meaning unvaxxed get sicker for longer and miss work) if you actually read the study it does not say that at all . He talks about the date of vax mandate shows the opposite. That it proves there is NO correlation of that. Lawyer has these studies.

… also “immunity” was discussed. The lawyer mentioned a statement Bonnie had made during “covid” times that all of the healthcare workers that worked during the “crisis” ( you know when we were banging pots and pans for those unvaxxed hero’s) had a way higher probability of already having Covid and being immune compared to the general public. This is before the vaccine mandate. So
Peter sort of held her feet to the fire on that comment she had made that all the unvaccinated healthcare workers are more likely to be immune since they worked during the unvaccinated times.

Peter the lawyer also mentioned numerous times that Bonnie continues to say that the omicron variants are not variants of a concern. The lawyer did a good job of showing all of the contradictions in everything she’s been saying and doing.

…. Peter Gall the lawyer also brought up statements the BC government has been making… and that their only statement backing up the mandate is “something could happen.” He did a good job of showing how ridiculous it is without actually having to say it, that the governments narrative is “something could happen” that is literally their argument “something could happen”

Lawyer mentions to judge that unvaxxed visitors in hospital can visit patients and that Bonnie’s eliminated other restrictive mandates.

Seems to be the one issue that keeps being debated is the one thing Bonnie is hanging onto now and that’s if it’s actually true or not …the theory that unvaxxed healthcare workers could get worse
symptoms than vaxxed. Peter the lawyer continually says there is no science proving that. At least the judge asked Bonnie’s team
To provide that.

Lawyer stating that Covid is not filling up the beds. He says based on his research that now there are more beds than ever. He says Covid is not affecting surgeries backlog.

Lawyer says Adrian Dix using the narrative that people need to be vaxxed to help stop bed shortages. Yet he also mentioned that Bonnie says omicron variants not a current concern nor does she think they will become a concern.

Now lawyer showing augments that it’s a human resource problem (issues in healthcare) and that adding 2,000 people back will help.

Lawyer says he wants to show statistics that issues are not really Covid related. He says he wants to show other factors like overdose, other sicknesses. He says Bonnie is meaninglessly cherry 🍒 picking.

…lawyer mentions opioid crisis, ageing population and other disease being the issues. He says cherry picked statement s by gov and Bonnie don’t reflect larger statistics.

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Yes for those that are asking…Peter a few times mentions that Bonnie and our gov are outliers in that we are the only province doing this mandate. He also mentioned awhile ago that we are one of the only ones in the world.

Judge is taking everything in that Bonnie’s and our govs statements don’t match the reality of stats.

Back to “transmission”evidence by lawyer. Bonnie’s assertion that unvaxxed spread more: the lawyer says the evidence does not show that. That it’s just not true.

He says PHO does not show this evidence and that she must prove it . ( the claim non vaxxed transmit more when infected with Covid)

There’s only been 2 “objections” stated by BON BONS team. Earlier her team said that Bon does have evidence unvaxxed when sick CAN spread more. Judge asked for Bonnie’s evidence. Otherwise Bonnie’s team have no other objections that they voiced today.

Judge and lawyer trying to figure out if “new shot” is a booster. Since bon bon using diff language now for shots.

Judge asking for more evidence that unvaxxed with dose 1,2 do not spread more
when with symptoms. Lawyer says he doesn’t think gov and Bonnie can provide evidence that unvaxxed spread more. Lawyer goes back to primary doses were for delta which is no longer the issue.

He says all of this is pre -omicron to be relevant anymore . Lawyer mentions you don’t have to be vaxxed to visit old age homes or hospital patients. Judge seems
To take note well of that. He notices the contradiction.

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Judge took interest if the new shot does help
or not . He asked about that since apparently bon bon allows a particular new shot if workers don’t want the initial outdated doses. Lawyers response is that it’s like last time…that there really isn’t proper evidence for that either.

Lawyer quoting Dr. Emerson. Judge reading Emerson’s statements.

Says Emerson’s statements are not backed up by studies. Lawyer showing this.

Lawyer stating that govs “expert” Dr. Emerson is simply making statements that are not true. That the evidence is not supporting Emerson’s statements re vaccination vs unvaxxed and transmission. Seems to me that the judge will have to swallow that something fishy is up. That’s my view obviously.

Lawyer says evidence shows that old statements about delta and dose 1,2 have no relevance now. No current info from gov or Bonnie about current reality years later. Says evidence shows dose 1,2 have no impact at all now.

Lawyer back to talking about so called NEW dose. Judge arguing that you can’t extapolate that new shot won’t work. Lawyer says there’s no evidence new shot will work and that her mandate doesn’t require current employees to get it anyways . Judge took notice that Bonnie isn’t even requiring employed workers to get the so called “new” shot. Red pill moment .

Judge agrees that Bonnies case or response will depend on proving the transmissibility or contagion of un vaxxed when they actually are sick with Covid as compared to transmissibility of vaxxed when sick with Covid.

Lawyer says more issues to discuss about a 2023 study Bonnie referred to. Lawyer says all provinces dropped mandate however some hospitals in Ontario themselves are still doing a mandate.

Judge asks Bonnie’s team to respond about record or objections. Judge says lawyer seems to be also challenging if we are in an emergency at all anymore. Lawyer agrees. Judge asks if lawyer is arguing jurisdiction ? Both judge and lawyer deem lawyer is arguing reasonableness that we are no longer in an emergency.

Lawyer brings up religion. Religious exemption. Judge asks if there are other healthcare opportunities for unvaxxed in this province. Lawyer deemed not really. Then judge and lawyer both moved on. Judge asked for case law. Lawyer reminded judge he showed him comparisons from other “temporary emergencies.”

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