Greg Sargent Profile picture
Dec 27 13 tweets 6 min read Read on X
Read this thread. I would like to pose some hypothetical questions to insurrection-deniers: Is there anything Trump could have done that *would* have unambiguously constituted insurrection — anything that you’d acknowledge *does* require disqualifying him? 1/
What if, in the runup to 1/6, Trump had explicitly told his supporters to descend on the Capitol to stop the VP and Congress from certifying the transfer of power *by any means necessary*? Well, here’s what he did do: 2/

Image
Image
Image
What if Trump had explicitly told top DOJ officials to fabricate evidence of widespread election fraud because he needed a pretext to justify his premeditated, illegal scheme to sabotage the transfer of power? Well, here’s what he did do: 3/ Image
What if Trump had repeatedly and explicitly told his VP to ignore the law and abuse his authority to subvert the electoral count in keeping with his premeditated scheme to sabotage the transfer of power? Well, here’s what he did do: 4/

Image
Image
Image
What if Trump, as he harangued the mob on 1/6, had explicitly told them to force Pence to scuttle the transfer of power, broadcasting a message to Pence that if he failed, he’d face the mob’s fury? Well, here’s what he did say: 5/
Image
Image
What if, while the mob attacked the Capitol, Trump had tweeted explicit instructions that the rioters should do whatever it takes to force Pence to sabotage the transfer of power? Well, here’s what Trump did tweet — again, *while* the mob was rampaging: 6/ Image
What if Trump, as people begged him to call off the mob, explicitly said no, because he wanted them to keep going, to intimidate the VP and Congress from certifying the transfer of power? Well, here’s what he did do: 7/
Image
Image
Would you really deny the sum total of those hypotheticals = insurrection? Doubtful. Yet the line between that and what Trump did do is functionally nonexistent. The case that his insurrection was ambiguous rests on a deliberately blinkered reading of uncontested facts. 8/
Here’s how the CO ruling defines the threshold for committing insurrection: “a concerted and public use of force or threat of force…to hinder or prevent the US government from taking the actions necessary to accomplish the peaceful transfer of power.” 9/ Image
Insurrection-deniers should say (1) whether the CO ruling’s description of the threshold Q is a reasonable one; and if so, (2) whether Trump’s conduct meets it. If your answers are no, what *would* be disqualifying? Or is the claim that Disqualification is a dead letter? 10/
Yes, disqual could have severe consequences/enter new territory. But via @ianbassin, if trying to end lawful constitutional democracy is not deemed disqualifying, it could also cross a Rubicon: 11/

protectdemocracy.org/work/trump-bal…
Image
One more point: As @rparloff notes, the case for disqualification also rests on whether someone who so flagrantly broke their oath of office can be trusted to take the oath again. Read Parloff’s whole thread: 12/

Any political discussion of this matter simply must include Trump’s current threats to *again* serially violate his oath of office and even to be a “dictator.” Are there consequences in green lighting all this? You need to weigh one set of consequences against the other. 13/13

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with Greg Sargent

Greg Sargent Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @GregTSargent

Dec 23
This is a crucial point about @DouthatNYT's latest column, which accuses those who take the 14th amendment question seriously of being "anti-democratic."

[Link: ]

I see multiple other serious problems with the column 1/ tinyurl.com/mva6y3cm
His Hillary scenario omits

extensive, corrupt pressure on state-level & administration officials to violate official duty

deliberate summoning of mob *for the purpose* of sabotaging electoral count

directing mob to target VP

the whole scheme was premeditated/a conspiracy

/2
Image
Image
In the Baude/Paulsen paper, those omitted elements were central to their case for why Trump’s conduct rose to insurrection under the Constitution. Examples below. 3/

Image
Image
Image
Read 8 tweets
Dec 21
I’m calling BS on a narrative that’s become widespread: The idea that liberals hope the 14th amendment is the “magical cure-all” that finishes Trump once and for all.

This NYT piece leads with this claim. 1/

nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/…

Image
Image
This narrative is everywhere. It’s often meant to imply that there’s something delusional or escapist about taking the Colorado ruling and the 14th amendment question seriously.

But that's ridiculous. This claim is even actively bad and destructive in civic terms. 2/
People saying this have many motives. Some leftists suggest Dems feel they can’t beat Trump electorally and want to avoid owning their own political failures. Some on the right imply liberals want to evade reckoning with the authentic populist underpinning of Trump's support. 3/
Read 17 tweets
Dec 12
"Biden should cave on immigration," says @JVLast.

This would be the "prudent path given the border situation and Trump threat," adds @Timodc.

I think this is not a well-argued case. Here's a thread attempting to explain why. 1/
This argument doesn’t acknowledge that Biden/Ds are *already* making a very good offer to Rs on “border security.” Biden’s $ request would spend billions on security *and also* help fix asylum. @davidfrum gets this. 2/

@davidfrum .@jvlast makes two arguments: Immigration does need reform, and making a deal would be good politically for Biden. But neither of these assertions offers any real-world guidance that might help settle the difficult questions at play here. 3/
Read 5 tweets
Dec 12
Very interesting: @davidfrum, an outspoken critic of Dems on immigration, acknowledges that the offer Biden has made in the border talks is reasonable. 1/

theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/…

Image
Image
What’s really notable here is @davidfrum states forthrightly that more resources speeding up asylum processing would help fix the problem.

That’s exactly what Biden’s supplemental request asks for!

Frum acknowledges that Rs are unreasonably demanding far more. 2/
Image
Image
.@davidfrum rightly blames House Rs for the talks' collapse. But there’s more. As I reported, Senate Rs hoped to gut Biden's parole programs + give POTUS (Trump 2025) power to end asylum. See below. 3/

washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/…

Image
Image
Read 5 tweets
Dec 10
This @DouthatNYT column urges Biden to accept an immigration deal with Republicans. But the piece largely erases GOP agency, not engaging with the ways the GOP itself is an obstacle to any deal. 1/

nytimes.com/2023/12/09/opi…
Rs want to gut Biden’s parole programs. But these provide an orderly alternative to seeking asylum at the border. Conservatives who want a deal should admit this demand is extreme and unreasonable. 2/

washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/…
Image
Rs want to give POTUS authority (i.e. Trump 2025) to end asylum. We all know Stephen Miller/MAGA are *the* obstacle to any deal that doesn’t slash legal immigration. Look at these demands! 3/

politico.com/news/2023/12/0…

Image
Image
Read 9 tweets
Dec 5
It's become undeniable that Trump has a clear path to full-blown authoritarian rule in the United States.

This has led some to predict that a Trump dictatorship is inevitable.

However, I think this level of fatalism is a serious mistake. 1/

(free link)
wapo.st/3t2SsUG
Yes, things look very bleak. Trump is very competitive in polls, despite:

*Facing multiple criminal indictments
*Openly drawing up a blueprint for autocracy
*Vowing to jail political opponents
*Threatening mass persecution of "vermin" voters

2/

wapo.st/3t2SsUG

Image
Image
Some argue that the American people appear ready to submit to autocracy, that our institutions are ripe for a takeover.

But again and again, voters have stepped up to defend democracy. Our national response to Trump's coup was actually pretty good. 3/

wapo.st/3t2SsUG

Image
Image
Read 8 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us!

:(