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Waves of infection are caused by exposure of a susceptible population to an infectious agent.
For endemic/seasonal infections, we see one or two waves per year as this susceptible pool is replenished by young (unvaccinated) kids, and older/other folks losing their immunity...
In addition, for viruses that change relatively rapidly to avoid our adaptive immune response, e.g. influenza A virus, this susceptible pool is larger because a proportion of otherwise "immune" people have responses that are unable to stop the virus. We are "used to this"...🙄
Seasonality is also influenced by other factors like behaviour, weather etc., but it's not as straightforward as some may think. AGAIN, see this excellent review by @VirusesImmunity to know more, incl. why tropical countries don't have seasonality!

annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/an…
First and foremost, do NOT underestimate seasonal/endemic infections, they cause profound harm annually, and flu is a major issue that we cope with badly...BUT, we are "used to this", and as long as excess mortality doesn't change, we seemingly just tolerate it...🤦‍♂️

Madness.
Seasonal flu is a BIT like a pandemic in a microcosm in that it mutates and presents a new target to our immunity, although NOT the same as being completely immune naive, otherwise we'd have annual pandemics!
We counter this with our vaccines, tried and tested, pretty good...
BUT, if the vaccine match is poor (despite massive worldwide surveillance and time to prepare for a single annual wave), or uptake low, we have a "bad" flu season, sometimes >20K deaths, albeit mainly due to 2ndry bacterial pneumonia...again we are "used to this"🙄
Makes you wonder why we don't give out more vaccines, really...
Which reminds me...so, what happened during the time when we actually paid attention to mitigating infectious diseases for once on account of an ACTUAL pandemic?!
We are "NOT used to this!"
Well, flu disappeared 👀
Seasonal flu isn't as infectious as SARS-CoV2, so the measures taken in terms of staying at home, hygiene, masks etc really worked - indeed, one of the flu B lineages almost went extinct! Almost...

So, what does this mean? Well, the number of folks catching flu dropped suddenly.
Obvious, eh?
As a consequence the number of people that haven't seen flu, survived (CRITICAL POINT!!!), and then became relatively "immune" plummeted from 2021 to 2022...
But, I hear you say, don't worry, we know 'flu will return, so we'll just vaccinate everyone in preparation!
Alas not...
The flu peak in 2022/23 was BAD...it even caused more hospitalisations than SARS-CoV2 for about a week...not playing virus top trumps, just setting context...
Flu coincided with SARS2, and RSV. Then came Strep A outbreaks...but, why?! "We aren't used to this!!!"
Not to worry, the immunology departments from certain tabloids...and some that should really know better...had the answer...

IMMUNITY DEBT!!!!!!😬😬😬😜
What does this mean?
Well, those of you paying attention to my drivel will clearly presume this refers to an increased susceptible pool resulting from failing to supplement population immunity by vaccines...we of course know flu can promote GAS and iGAS by dysbiosis...simples😜
This makes sense, more infections = more severe disease, just timed extremely badly, no effort to increase vax, then of course nothing preventative was done to stop scarlet fever or other GAS nasties spreading like wildfire amongst kids, and, tragically, causing some deaths...💔
But, no...apparently, it's a twisted version of the debunked hygiene hypothesis, where every time we get sick is actually a "good thing" because we're sending lymph nodes on some f*****g Krypton Factor assault course, flexing those TCR muscles, and "having healthy immune systems"
People genuinely thought that the lives saved by NOT having an influenza wave but then making up for it by not vaccinating more was explained by "living too cleanly".
We MUST immediately all resort to licking toilet seats in public conveniences and eating toenail scrapings...🙄
What really takes the smegging biscuit though, is that now, in 2024, two years since the last set of COVID restrictions, this is apparently happening again, despite flu in 22, RSV in 21/22, and everything else...
It even applies to countries that didn't have restrictions, again!
Let's be clear, disease is a function of immunity, virulence and environment.
Your immunity is preprogrammed genetically.
Fighting TB does NOT make you better at fighting whooping cough.
A first encounter with a pathogen is usually the same, regardless if it's delayed by a year.
The trick is to ensure the first encounter incurs the least possible risk...hence why that Jenner chap became so popular and people started avoiding scraping that puss into their skin...
Your 2nd response is stronger and quicker, and for some diseases can = sterilising immunity!
Yet, we still see references to this ridiculous term, which according to learned colleagues, was first referenced at the start of the pandemic...
Eejits railing for freedom to become infected actually consider this a reason to, well, get infected with stuff.
Best of luck, folks.
I see countless stories and quotes...from folks that should know better...that disease is inherently more severe because of the "immunity debt", this is, of course 💩.
Some may then rethink and say they meant the susceptible pool thing, but they REALLY need to mind what they say.
The reason I detest this crap SO much is that it all feeds the notion that infection is a better way of instilling immunity, rather than vaccines.
This underpins current policy, it's complete crap. There's ALWAYS survivorship bias, and SARS2 evolves too quickly for you-know-what.
Lastly, the simple binary that you get infected, then immune, ignores the plight of the vulnerable, as well as both long COVID and other sequelae that cost people their quality of life, or their lives. It's harmful, callous, and amoral.

Tragically tho, we ARE "used to this" 💔

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Dec 18, 2023
So, my BBC thread yesterday has caused some consternation...putting it "mildly"!😉

Folks r bashing the article, me, and what @p_openshaw said re infection induced immunity.

However, this IS, sadly, the reality of the UK/world situation, the question is whether it SHOULD be...
You can probably guess my answer is NO!!!

I mean this in terms of whether policy should rely on infection plus targeted vaccination. I believe Peter has said effectively the same thing.

Nevertheless, infection DOES imbue POPULATIONS with a degree of protective immunity.
No, this immunity doesn't necessarily prevent reinfections, it certainly doesn't appear protective vs long COVID, and won't guarantee that your next infection will be less severe than previously...

The issue is, you can also say most of these things (not the LC) about vaccines.
Read 23 tweets
Dec 17, 2023
Important article to read and remember from @JamesTGallagher with @PeterOpenshaw6 & Eleanor Riley.
This really isn't a lesson we should be learning now. It was eminently predictable and worsened by crowbarring a seasonal flu vax strategy onto SARS2, IMHO.
bbc.co.uk/news/health-67…
As Peter alludes to, the reason that for many COVID is now far less likely to result in severe acute disease is because of our widespread vax programme in 2021 and following, which blunted impact upon those most vulnerable, and then further reduced problems across the population.
This transformed the course of the early pandemic, and is not to be taken for granted.
It was never clear that CoV vaccines would be feasible, let alone as efficacious as mRNA vaccines proved to be - superior to killed/vector/subunit. Vet CoV vax have also been largely elusive.
Read 25 tweets
Nov 30, 2023
It is abundantly clear hearing testimonies from SAGE members, and the excellent and frank account from @uksciencechief regarding that infamous meeting in Sept 2020, that, unsurprisingly, most sensible scientists recognised the certain harms of allowing SARS2 to spread unchecked.
They were concerned for the vulnerable, about long COVID, about discharging +ve patients into care homes, about ignoring airborne transmission, about NHS pressure, about vaccine uptake, about childhood COVID, about the lack of population scale mitigations, about mask politics...
The lack of provisions in healthcare settings, the lack of border surveillance and quarantine, the difficulty accessing therapeutics, the disproportionate effects the pandemic had, and is still having on disadvantaged people, including erstwhile "key workers". Claps aren't edible
Read 17 tweets
Nov 30, 2023
Right.
Seeing as it has somehow become open season on my friends and colleagues from @IndependentSage, it felt like a few points of order were timely...

1. It was NEVER the case that @IndependentSage was set up to oppose or undermine SAGE or any subcommittees.
2. We'll hear about this on Friday, but in general, @Sir_David_King was concerned by the opacity surrounding SAGE, not bc of its members, but bc of the way in which advice appeared to be being used, or not, and the apparent interference by govt advisors, and/or their iPhones 🙄.
3. These were unusual times, of course, but govt clearly placed huge emphasis on following "the" science, whatever that meant, with - shall we say - limited success, framed by joint briefings by politicians and civil servants (odd), yet there was no transparency re that advice...
Read 26 tweets
Nov 8, 2023
I'm incandescent.
Relentless talk in @covidinquiryuk about so-called "segregation", and it seems this found favour with folks in high places...we already know about the current PM.

But, let's NOT beat around the bush here, segregation is sanitised speak for social exclusion...
Apartheid is another word.
That it's done under the banner of "focused protection" is as thinly veiled an "I'm alright Jack" attitude as is humanly possible.
The low prevalence during the summer of 2020 clearly bred complacency in the minds of many, and this was hijacked by GBD🤬
Never mind that this low prevalence was an opportunity to maintain a lower level of infection that was safer for all.
Never mind that both SAGE and the COVID Taskforce had rejected the concept out of hand.
Never mind that it was already clear by August that cases were climbing.
Read 25 tweets
Oct 15, 2023
Didn't have the energy, still don't, but THAT article...

1. Don't minimise influenza, but💀mainly bacterial pneumonia.
2. SARS2 didn't just circulate last Nov/Dec....>33K💀
3. False binaries and platitudes result from p*ss-poor funding and an acceptance of 2019 "norms". We shld
aspire for better, not accept the old "normal". Let's enable Clin Vir and PH to test, vaccinate, and treat infections without robbing Peter to pay Paul.
4. I agree with what was said re UK population immunity NOT being equivalent to e.g. influenza or other endemic viruses.
5. Without this balance of immunity and viral variation, my view is that you cannot possibly term SARS2 as "endemic". There's lots of it, sure, but I think that's a somewhat complacent use of the term. As for those who equate the term with "mild", "normal", etc...methinks not.
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