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Feb 12, 2024 • 7 tweets • 3 min read • Read on X
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🧵Some comments:

1. Before all else, as said before, new converts like @langluigi_ (whether to EO or RC or anything )shouldn't set themselves up as online religious influencers. It's an absolutely incredible phenomenon.

2. There are some questions to be asked here. Let's go...
From a discussion with a friend about a similar prayer. Image
Cont, From Newman's Letter to Pusey.

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Cont, From Newman's Letter to Pusey.

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Cont, From Newman's Letter to Pusey.

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Cont, From Newman's Letter to Pusey.

Note that while we're not taking any judgment or position on a particular Novena prayer randomly shared by a catechumen or recent convert to the Eastern schism, we're perfectly capable of admitting the below.

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3. RE hard words to @langluigi_ about setting himself up as a religious influencer: no offence or ill-will is meant.

As I said before: Let's see how EO works out for you, and if you stick with it. Then your words might have some value on these matters.
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18 Jan: St Peter's Chair at Rome
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Feb 7, 2024
🧵 More on "I don't have the authority to judge."

In many states, someone isn't legally dead until they have been certified as such by a doctor. Many aspects of their estate can't be dealt with until the death is registered with the state.

Get ready for some absurdity.
Let's see what would happen if we applied this "humble" idea of not having authority to judge here.

We're going to give the body the benefit of the doubt until doctor comes, and assume the person is still alive.

After all, we don't have authority or training to declare a death.
If doctor is delayed, we need to treat an increasingly decomposed corpse as if it were alive, until that moment of officialdom arrives

What if doctor never arrives?

Well then, we will assume he isn't dead. It's the safer option. The opposite is just pride.
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Though we, an angel from heaven, or anyone, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, which you have received...

A. Accept the good in it, resist the bad, continue to call him an angel from Heaven, and condemn those who disagree?

B. Let him be anathema? Image
Though we, an angel from heaven, or anyone, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, which you have received...

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Feb 2, 2024
🧵 on "I don't have the authority"

If you can...

- Recognise one man is the pope
- Recognise that everybody else is not the pope

... then obviously you have the ability to recognise whether or not someone is the pope or not, and some criteria for making this judgement. Cont.
Now, you might say your recognition of Francis is based on the fact that he was elected, that the cardinals say he is the pope, or the whole Church, etc.

This is to concede the point. You have the ability to recognise these criteria are fulfilled, and judge he is the pope. Cont.
Once you have admitted this, you are admitting that you *do* have the ability to judge objective criteria and decide whether you are going to say the man is pope or not.

Aristotle said: "Where it is in our power to act it is also in our power not to act, and vice versa." NE 3.5.
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It is commonly said that excommunication does not cause a man to lose his office, unless it is declared and enforced.

We believe that this is... correct!

But also irrelevant to the question of the papacy and Francis' legitimacy. Read on to see why... 🧵
Some effects of automatic excommunication are indeed automatic in the forum of conscience.

Some effects await a declaration. Loss of office. certainly seems to be one of the latter.

But wait, there's more.
Loss of membership/office for open, public heresy isn't to do with excommunication.

Some defending Francis' papacy (fully or partially/"materially") claim we all say they've lost office because they're automatically excommunicated. *This is a strawman.*

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Confused by everyone losing their head in the face of Fr James Altman's statement that Francis isn't the pope?

It's like we are seeing damage control from almost ever single outlet, coming out to repeat the solemn magic words: "We recognise Pope Francis."

It's weird. 👇
What do people think's at stake with this Pope Question?

We wrote this in answer to that, responding to an article by our now friend @kennedyhall.

We haven't publicised it - we hope he'll forgive us for doing so now, as it clarifies the current issues.

wmreview.co.uk/2022/10/21/wor…
If you want some nuts and bolts of the Pope Question, then look at this (unanswered) critique of Mr Michael Lofton's (@reasontheology) treatment.

There's a lot of confusion about the actual arguments being made. Avoid those who perpetuate this confusion.

wmreview.co.uk/2022/09/29/lof…
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