This "the courts are slow-walking Trump's immunity claim" narrative (for the most part coming from non-lawyers who don't understand anything about the system) is truly pissing me off. So here's the real story. 1/
President Trump was indicted last August. Notably that's the biggest slow walk of all- an August 2023 indictment for a January 2021 alleged crime, and 10 months after Jack Smith was appointed. But Smith is a saint among men and "on our team", so he cannot be criticized. 2/
President Trump's motion to dismiss was filed on September 29, less than TWO MONTHS after the case commenced. Judge Chutkan, who, again, gets no criticism because she's on the right "team", decided it on December 1, a two month delay. 3/
Nonetheless, to be clear, Judge Chutkan deserves no criticism for this. Two months from filing to decision on a motion to dismiss in federal court is VERY FAST. Usually you are looking at six months or more. This case was expedited. 4/
Donald Trump had a right, under law, to appeal this ruling to the Court of Appeals and to stay the trial court proceedings while he did it. You may not like this rule, but it applies to ANYONE raising an immunity defense, not just Donald Trump. 5/
President Trump took his appeal and the court concluded briefing in JUST ONE MONTH, and then held oral argument on January 9 and decided the case February 6. This is LIGHTNING FAST. Most CoA cases take about a year to a year and half between commencement and conclusion. 6/
Further, the DC Circuit itself broke a norm to speed up the case further, and NOBODY criticized it for breaking this norm. It's a technical issue, but the "mandate" is the date on which a court of appeals judgment goes into effect. 7/
In a normal case, you get 15 days to petition the court to rehear the case (in case some error was made) or to suggest that the full court, rather than a 3 judge panel, hear the case, and then the decision takes effect 7 days after that. 8/
The DC Circuit panel took those 22 days away from President Trump. It did so even though we have no idea if the full DC Circuit actually might have wanted to hear the case. Doesn't matter, the panel said, we won't let you. The decision takes effect immediately. 9/
So President Trump was forced to file immediately for US Supreme Court review. Even here, his time was cut. Normally you get 3 months to file a petition to the Supreme Court. The DC Circuit gave President Trump A WEEK. Again, enormous speed. 10/
President Trump filed his application for SCOTUS to take the case on February 12. SCOTUS decided within just SIXTEEN DAYS to grant the application.
And then SCOTUS set a HIGHLY expedited briefing schedule. 11/
Normally, a case that is taken by the Supreme Court on February 28 will be briefed through the spring and summer, heard in October when the new term starts, and decided the following January or so. 12/
But SCOTUS held all briefing will be done by APRIL and it will be orally argued the week of 4/22. That sets this up for decision in early May. A motion that was filed in September goes through all three levels of the federal court system and gets decided by May. That's FAST! 13/
Want to know what regular order looks like? Well, Judge Chutkan takes 6 months to rule on the motion to dismiss, and rules on it the last week of March 2024. The DC Circuit appeal takes a year and is decided in March 2025. Throw on another month for the en banc denial. 14/
Trump petitions for certiorari in Spring 2025 and his petition is granted and the case is briefed in the summer and early fall and is argued in November 2025. It is decided in March 2026. That's what regular order is. This case has been expedited by ALMOST 2 YEARS TOTAL. 15/
And if you want to argue that a 5/24 decision is still too late, well, SCOTUS only controls the last 3 months of that delay. The rest of it? Blame the liberal Judge Chutkan and DC Circuit and ESPECIALLY the DOJ, who DIDN'T BRING THIS CASE FOR 2 1/2 YEARS! 16/
Seriously the court system took almost 2 years off a case that DOJ took 2 1/2 years to bring. The Supreme Court itself took 8 months off of the case. And we're blaming the Supreme Court? This is utterly wrong. 17/
The reality is once the DOJ decided it would take 2 1/2 years to bring January 6 charges, this goose was cooked. And that is the case even though the federal courts, including SCOTUS, tried to pull it out of the oven quicker at the end. End/
@MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein 2. SCOTUS taking the case in December would have been extraordinary. SCOTUS rarely jumps in before a Court of Appeals has acted, and Jack Smith's argument that they should have was actually a lot weaker than Trump's immunity argument. It was never happening.
@MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein 3. Sat for weeks? They decided the cert petition 16 days after receiving it, which again is lightning fast by SCOTUS standards.
@MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein (It allowed Justice Jackson to sit on the affirmative action case.)
Also at least 6 cert before judgment cases were grant vacate and remand cases where court corrected some procedural error, not merits cases.
@MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein As far as I know this would have been only the 5th case of its kind to jump the Court of Appeals in the last 20 years or so had they granted cert before judgment.
@MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein (But perhaps you know more about appellate practice than I do. :) )
@SirCanuckles TBC I don't think that. I think 2 months is fine.
@InquisitiveUrsa See also the immigration judges issue which slows up asylum processing. We just don't have enough judicial officers at multiple points in the system.
@mo_sabet @MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein It's at the point where I've answered most of the talking points. :)
@mo_sabet @MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein And I'm not saying you do this but there's a "they do this all the time" sort of talking point being thrown around and no, even now, they really don't do it all the time. It's very rare.
@reedtcampbell Whereas here, this is not a discovery issue or grinding ongoing investigations to a halt. It's just a legal issue about whether there can be a trial.
@Trillest110 @Perl_of_Wisdom @ChiCyph80 @MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein There's a reason Finley Peter Dunne's joke about SCOTUS following the election returns has so much bite. You don't want courts thinking about this shit, let alone trying to influence the results of elections (which of course is the real goal here).
@Trillest110 @Perl_of_Wisdom @ChiCyph80 @MarkGattozzi @ARozenshtein I definitely want the official rule to be "the election is legally irrelevant".
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Back when all the smug types were telling me how the Trump Administration would just disobey every court order they didn't like, I pointed out that one weapon the courts had was issuing more onerous orders than they otherwise would.
This has now happened twice at SCOTUS.
First, when the Court held that Alien Enemies Act challenges had to be filed in habeas, it also said each noncitizen must get notice in advance and an opportunity to file a petition.
It is very uncommon in a denial of jurisdiction for the Court to make a ruling on the merits.
With any other administration, they would have trusted that if they said "the only jurisdiction is habeas" that the administration wouldn't circumvent it. That is, for instance, how the Court handled the Bush Administration and the War on Terror. But here, they put that in.
Justice Sotomayor's concurrence correctly cites the US Senate-ratified UN Convention Against Torture and the US statutes and regulations that implement it.
Let's do a thread that harkens back to my early career doing human rights cases, and the doctrine of "refouler". 1/
You will often hear people say that once the US government transfers a prisoner out of US custody, it has no further jurisdiction over it. As you can see from today's ruling, the Supreme Court is 9-0 on that not being true. The courts can require POTUS to try and get him back. 2/
But when people discuss that supposed doctrine, they also gloss right over something else-- that it is quite illegal under several different sources of law for the government to transfer a prisoner-- ANY prisoner-- to a place they are likely to be tortured. This is "refouler" 3/
Regarding the "Abundance" debate, I want you to consider a hypothetical I adapted from a Substack comment.
Imagine if Ukraine military aid had to follow the rules Democrats attach to domestic projects. 1/
So, first of all, no aid can be sent, or the aid can be blocked in court, unless 25% of the arms are purchased from women or minority owned arms suppliers. 2/
Each arms delivery will require an Environmental Impact Statement, carefully analyzing how the Ukraine environment will be affected by the use of the weapons and materiel. If any impacts are not considered, a court can order a new EIS and the shipments get delayed. 3/
Just a meta comment on the Vietnam War and my tweets:
The War was folly for the US and France. But many people misinterpret that to mean the Communists were on the right side. In fact South Vietnam, despite its corruption and autocracy had a far more free society than the North.
You wouldn't have minded living in Saigon during the war, except for the effects of the Communist insurgency. Hanoi, in contrast, was an unproductive poor authoritarian hellhole that people desperately wanted to escape.
After the War the Communists proceeded to run the country into the ground, as collectivization led to economic ruin, millions were sent to "reeducation camps", and the regime fought additional wars that killed yet more Vietnamese.
I'm going to do a quick political theory thread about this because it is interesting.
Ever notice how Democrats got creamed in several elections (1972, 1980, 1984, 1988), then stopped getting creamed? It's actually partly the effects of this. And it's fascinating.
Go back to 1972. Why did McGovern lose SOOOO badly, only winning one state? Well, because he lost the white working class-- voters who used to support New Deal Dems and now pulled away and voted for Nixon.
Part of that was Vietnam and the protests. But there was something else.
1972 was the very start of the environmental movement. And this is totally forgotten, but do you know who really, truly, fight to the death hated environmentalists? That's right-- union workers. The working class. Why? Because to them, the green movement was a direct threat.
i just listened to a law professor on the usually good Advisory Opinions podcast say that the real answer to the problem of an independent Federal Reserve clashing with unitary executive theories is to ask whether central banking is an appropriate federal power in the first place
I will say-- this isn't representative of most law professors or even most right leaning ones. The majority realize central banking is a necessity and that the country will go to hell if the President can unilaterally control it.
But this belief is out there.
And to me it shows the great lesson of theorists who get too attached to their principles. Look, if the text of the Constitution literally prohibited independent central banks, we'd have to follow it even though that is crazy, ignorant, and would destroy the country.