Thread by @DreaHumphrey

The final stages of a disciplinary trial for BC Nurse & sex-based rights activist Amy Hamm (@preta_6) has officially begun.

Hamm, is accused of transphobia for her advocacy and biology sound comments such as there are only 2 genders.

Follow my summary of arguments in thread👇🏾

2) Hearing is standing down for a few more minutes to address a technical difficulty.

While we wait I leave you with this funny tweet Hamm posted ahead of today’s hearing.

Is this the nonsensical language medical professionals will have to use online to protect their license?

Back in session:

BC College of Nurses and Midwives (BCCNM) panellist Edna McLellan begins by giving stating a landed acknowledgement for the “unceded territory” the panel recognizes.

3) Counsel for the college Michael Seaborn gives opening statements to remind panel what the hearing is about.

Says the panel is being asked to decide whether Hamm published off duty statements that discriminate against trans gender people while identifying as a nurse.

4) Seaborn hands over the oral submissions to college counsel Barbara Findlay, a self proclaimed “old white cisgender queer” activist lawyer.

Findlay begins with asking the panel to participate in a “2 step process” beginning with imaging that they are the transgender subject in her hypothetical story.

5) Findlay’s imaginary story begins with a person who identifies as trans and is travelling to Ottawa and getting misgendered along the way.

The end up having to use a bathroom for disabled people.

6) Findlay: What I'm trying to communicate with this two step exercise is to imagine from your own place as this woman [trans woman] what it might be if somebody started suddenly misgendering you and then moving to the experience of a trans woman…

7) … is to imagine how it feels.

What it feels like if someone misgenders you, what it feels like if someone treats you as a threat or as a fraud or as a freak.

8) Findlay cont’d:

The respondent is a registered nurse and she's a nurse educator. At, at the time of the citation, she had a very active social media writing public presence.

…. the college says that in making the statements in which she identifies as a nurse, the respondent was breaking the standard.

9) Says Hamm made discriminatory and derogatory statements regarding transgender people.

10) Findlay goes on to read some of the statements Hamm made when testifying. You can read up on some of Hamm’s powerful testimony below, which included advocacy for biological males to not be housed in women’s prisons and rape shelters.
rebelnews.com/bc_nurse_accus…

11) Findlay tells the panel that their decision will either determine “support the ability of trans and non binary people to interact with and have confidence in the support of the nursing profession and more broadly, the health sector. Or, it will sanction the right of nurses who publicly discriminate against” trans people.

12) Findlay cont’d:

To be clear we say that the respondent’s [ Hamm’s] statements are discriminatory against trans gender people…but unless the respondent identifies as a nurse while she makes those statements, they're not the concern of the college and not an issue in this group.

13) Findlay reads some of Hamm’s testimony and claims they speak to her belief surrounding trans peoples existence:

In her evidence, she says the base claim of gender identity is this notion that humans have within them in their brain “a gender soul or a gender identity and as far as I am concerned that's a metaphysical claim.”

14) Findlay reads Hamm’s testimony saying the claim is “unfalsifiable”and that “women are being told you do have a gender identity or you are a cis woman and I reject it fully..”

15) Findlay continues reading from Hamm’s testimony:

Hamm: I believe everyone has a biological sex and they have a personality and that males and females you know, there are stereotypes associated with males and females when it comes to their interest and behavior…

16) Findlay continues with Hamm’s statements.

Hamm: … but I think everyone is a unique individual and I reject the notion that someone’s adherence or non adherence to sex stereotypes or gender stereotypes somehow reflects on the internal gender identity or gender soul.

17) Findlay’s recap of Hamm’s testimony cont’d:

Hamm: … I frankly think that that is anti scientific metaphysical nonsense.

18: Findlay to the panel:

If gender identity does not exist,
transgender people do not exist.

There is no more irreparably harmful idea to transgender people than that transgender people do not exist.

19. Findlay continued to summon the panel back into imagining they were the made up trans woman named “Lee” she created for them to embody at the beginning of her closing arguments.

What follows are the questions she poses to the panel about “Lee.”

20. Findlay:

Do you think that Lee as a trans woman should be denied a space in a homeless shelter for women?

… Lee, is it okay if you can't go to a rape crisis centre?

Is it okay if you be housed in the men section of the prison?

21: Findlay cont’d:

Is it ok Lee, that you cannot pee in a women’s washroom?

22) Now Findlay is taking the panel through “what the courts say” about this matter.

23) She begins by recapping the case of Hansman v Neufeld.

The supreme court dismissed Neufeld’s, a former Chilliwack school district trustee who advocates against radical gender ideology in schools, defamation suit against former president of the BC Teachers' Federation (BCTF).

24) Hansman publicly labelled Neufeld as bigoted and unfit to work with children but the courts relied on a fairly new Protection of Public Participation law to shut down Neufeld’s case.

You can watch my interview with Neufeld’s lawyer Paul Jaffe for more rebelnews.com/supreme_court_…

25) Another case Findlay discussed is the infamous parental rights case A.B. vs. C.D.
Where a BC father was in the courts for 5 years and even sentenced to prison for breaching publication bans to discuss how his child was transitioned without his consent. rebelnews.com/controversial_…

26) Findlay brings up the slew of doctors whose identities are still anonymized in that case due to claims they’ve were at risk.

Below is my most recent interview with the father after he won his appeal to not return to jail. rebelnews.com/father_who_spo…

27) Findlay’s conclusion:

In the evidence and in its written arguments the college has addressed in much more detail than we have in this oral submission, the ways in which the respondent statements may while identifying as a nurse are discriminatory to you or derogatory of trans people.

28) Findlay’s conclusion cont’d:

… the respondent actively misrepresents the state of science of medical knowledge and of nursing practice when she asserts that their is no church thing as gender identity.
*Too bad the WPATH files were not leaked earlier rebelnews.com/trans_scandal_…

29) Findlay’s conclusion cont’d:

She argues for the exclusion of trans people from the most basic forms of social life ie. washrooms and change rooms.

She would have trans people be pariahs , ostracized from the community.

30) Findlay cont’d:

the central crucial point in this hearing is that the respondent is misusing her status as a nurse to lend credibility to her off duty discriminatory and derogatory assertions about trans people when she includes her profession in her posts in her writings and in her interviews…

31) Findlay cont’d:

… because that inclusion is likely to confirm for trans people, unfortunately the view that they already hold, which is that health care is not a safe place for them.

32) Findlay’s final words of conclusion:

We submit that the respondents speech me while she identifies as a nurse fundamentally breaches the professional standards of the colleague and rise to the level of un professional conduct.

33) I’m back to the season after the break and after me having to work on a separate report for a bit.

Findlay is reading through the tabs of the gazillion off duty comments the college has combed through of Hamm’s during their investigation.

34) It’s important to note that after the initial anonymous complaint was made against Hamm for her off duty role in a “I❤️ JK Rowling” billboard msg in Vancouver, the BCCNM originally charged her with charge of spreading “medically inaccurate information”
rebelnews.com/i_heart_jk_row…

35) Then after combing through hundreds of her posts they rescinded the “medically inaccurate” charge (*because she’s accurate) and instead gave her a citation focused on feelings rather than facts.

36) Consider this: If Amy Hamm has had to go through years of this due to an anonymous complaint over her off-duty “thought crimes” what power will those confusing differences of opinions as harms from Trudeau’s Orwellian “online harms bill” plans? rebelnews.com/trudeaus_onlin…

37) Findlay says the idea that anyone can be indoctrinated by a trans agenda is a deregation to trans people.

38) * If people accept “conversion therapy” ie. indoctrinating a gay person to become straight person why would it be impossible for gays or straight people to be converted / indoctrinated into becoming trans?

It’s like the only white people can be racist nonsense.

39) Findlay:

Well, the evidence is that trans women are the most oppressed among women, and which comment there against them.

*I guess they’re better at sports and being oppressed than us.

40) Findlay seems to be in slow motion. Her sentences have been much more delayed and pauses are much longer than in the AM.

Sometimes it looks like she’s fallen asleep.

The head panelist has had to check in a few times.

41) Panel says due to time we probably won’t get to any of Ms. Bildy (one of Hamm’s defence lawyers) oral submissions today.

@LDBildy (left) and Karen Bastow (right) have been hired by the @JCCFCanada to defend Hamm at no cost to her.

42) Findlay’s long pauses have continued. …..
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43) Panelist asks Findlay if it’s discriminatory to make critical comments about trans activists who are not also are always transgender people?

44) Findlay says no, she doesn’t think so.

“I don’t think that being disrespectful to cisgender trans activists is derogatory or discriminatory to trans people automatically.”

45) Panelist asks: Ms. Hamm argues that her comments are not directed at transgender persons, but rather she is challenging gender identity theory
and views and actions of trans activists.

Is that an important distinction?

46. Findlay:

No, because in talking about a theory, the respondent most typically, is talking about a view of the world which erases the existence of trans people.

An insistence on a world view… that says only sex is real, gender identity is a metaphysical construct.

47. Hearing is adjourned for today.

Tune in again tomorrow which is when closing arguments from Hamm’s counsel is expected to give closing arguments.