Melanie Gibb secret recorded phone call with #ChadDaybell and #LoriVallow on 12/8/19. I transcribed the call a few years ago. Here it is:
Melanie: Oh, ok. Um, I just wanted to ask you a question if you don't mind, Lori?
Lori: Yeah (unintelligible)
Melanie: I want to know..you know how we talked about JJ going to Kay's house and you told me they went there and now he's not there, I was wondering what happened.
Lori: (pause) Well, I had to move him somewhere else because of her actions so.
Melanie: Was she doing something? I guess she was trying to come get him or something, like trying to kidnap him?
Lori: Well it's just, yeah, it's just she said multiple times before that um..
Melanie: Ok, well you know I asked Chad the other day, hey um you know where is JJ and he said for my security he didn't want me to know so is there a reason I should be in danger to know where he is?
Lori: No, it's his danger. It's the danger that there's people after me.
Melanie: K
Chad: If you knew that puts you in a danger
Lori: Well, just in a bad position
Chad: Yeah, bad position
Melanie: Oh, ok. Um, I just wanted to ask you a question if you don't mind, Lori?
Lori: Yeah (unintelligible)
Melanie: I want to know..you know how we talked about JJ going to Kay's house and you told me they went there and now he's not there, I was wondering what happened.
Lori: (pause) Well, I had to move him somewhere else because of her actions so.
Melanie: Was she doing something? I guess she was trying to come get him or something, like trying to kidnap him?
Lori: Well it's just, yeah, it's just she said multiple times before that um..
Melanie: Ok, well you know I asked Chad the other day, hey um you know where is JJ and he said for my security he didn't want me to know so is there a reason I should be in danger to know where he is?
Lori: No, it's his danger. It's the danger that there's people after me.
Melanie: K
Chad: If you knew that puts you in a danger
Lori: Well, just in a bad position
Chad: Yeah, bad position
Lori: Everybody if they don't know anything then they don't have to say they know.
Melanie: Right, so just worried, ok
Lori: To keep him protected and..
Chad: To keep you protected.
Lori: To keep everybody else...
Melanie: I appreciate that. I was wondering why you told the police that he was with me?
Lori: I just needed to (either you or use) to have somebody that I so I wouldn't have to tell where he really was cause they were gonna tell Kay where he is.
Melanie: Oh, so do you think it's like your family or like your family, your dad or those people
Lori: Well my family, well not my whole family, but as you know most of my family is working against me and with her basically.
Melanie: Yeah. Is JJ safe?
Lori: He is safe and happy.
Melanie: Ok, well that's good to hear. Um, are you afraid of anything like are you just afraid that he um that I could be in danger like your..like I don't..like if I knew how could that hurt me? I don't understand how it could hurt me if I knew where he was?
Lori: Well I'm just not telling anybody so no one has to say where he is or get questioned about where he is so I can keep him as safe as possible.
Melanie: Yeah, um. Well, I hope that he's ok and I hope you guys are ok. I did have a question. I asked Al at one point, your brother, um if I wanted to know, you know like where he was and he said I did not want to know and that he could not be found, so what does that mean?
Melanie: Right, so just worried, ok
Lori: To keep him protected and..
Chad: To keep you protected.
Lori: To keep everybody else...
Melanie: I appreciate that. I was wondering why you told the police that he was with me?
Lori: I just needed to (either you or use) to have somebody that I so I wouldn't have to tell where he really was cause they were gonna tell Kay where he is.
Melanie: Oh, so do you think it's like your family or like your family, your dad or those people
Lori: Well my family, well not my whole family, but as you know most of my family is working against me and with her basically.
Melanie: Yeah. Is JJ safe?
Lori: He is safe and happy.
Melanie: Ok, well that's good to hear. Um, are you afraid of anything like are you just afraid that he um that I could be in danger like your..like I don't..like if I knew how could that hurt me? I don't understand how it could hurt me if I knew where he was?
Lori: Well I'm just not telling anybody so no one has to say where he is or get questioned about where he is so I can keep him as safe as possible.
Melanie: Yeah, um. Well, I hope that he's ok and I hope you guys are ok. I did have a question. I asked Al at one point, your brother, um if I wanted to know, you know like where he was and he said I did not want to know and that he could not be found, so what does that mean?
Lori: I don't know why he would say that but it's the same story like I didn't even want Al to know, I didn't want anyone to know so that anyone has to be worried about it I mean that nobody needs to be questioned about it so he could be safe.
Melanie: Yeah, so how long are you gonna be away for like how, I mean are you ever gonna be able to come out and come back to society again or are you gonna keep, you know, like come back? I mean like what does that look like?
Lori: I will do whatever the Lord needs me to do every day so..
Melanie: Ok, I just wondered about if we're ever going to see you again.
Lori: Absolutely you will.
Melanie: Ok, so maybe when they're done chasing you you'll be able to come out of ...you'll come out again? Or..
Lori: Yeah, I mean it's a ridiculous thing for them to be working with Kay to find me. There's nothing that's gone on that's..you know what I'm saying? Like they're working with her in some dark capacity. There's no reason for them to be after me...
Melanie: Uh huh
Lori: In the first place
Melanie: Yeah, has she threatened you at all?
Lori: Yes! Lots of times.
Melanie: Oh boy. What did she say?
Lori: Well, it’s in emails and everything.
Melanie: So like she said she’s going to come take him? or she was ….
Lori: There’s a lot of things Melanie
Melanie: Yeah, it sounds like it. I’m just worried for you guys because you know he’s missing and you know…
Lori: (chuckles) I know exactly where he is. He’s perfectly fine and safe.
Melanie: Yeah, so how long are you gonna be away for like how, I mean are you ever gonna be able to come out and come back to society again or are you gonna keep, you know, like come back? I mean like what does that look like?
Lori: I will do whatever the Lord needs me to do every day so..
Melanie: Ok, I just wondered about if we're ever going to see you again.
Lori: Absolutely you will.
Melanie: Ok, so maybe when they're done chasing you you'll be able to come out of ...you'll come out again? Or..
Lori: Yeah, I mean it's a ridiculous thing for them to be working with Kay to find me. There's nothing that's gone on that's..you know what I'm saying? Like they're working with her in some dark capacity. There's no reason for them to be after me...
Melanie: Uh huh
Lori: In the first place
Melanie: Yeah, has she threatened you at all?
Lori: Yes! Lots of times.
Melanie: Oh boy. What did she say?
Lori: Well, it’s in emails and everything.
Melanie: So like she said she’s going to come take him? or she was ….
Lori: There’s a lot of things Melanie
Melanie: Yeah, it sounds like it. I’m just worried for you guys because you know he’s missing and you know…
Lori: (chuckles) I know exactly where he is. He’s perfectly fine and safe.
Melanie: Well, I hope so. I have a scripture I want to share with you if you don’t mind.
Lori: I’d love it.
Melanie: I was thinking about some of the things you guys have gone through and I saw this scripture today and…..
Lori: Let me ask you a question about a scripture. Did Alma turn himself into King Noah or what was he required to do?
Melanie: Well King Noah was incredibly wicked.
Lori: Yes!
Melanie: His evil ways which was adultery and living riotously and breaking all the commandments.
Lori: Right, so what was he required to do, Alma?
Melanie: He had to go and flee so he would be safe and then help other people realize how jacked up the system was and the government was.
Lori: What about Moroni? What was he required to do at the end?
Melanie: To carry on those plates and bury them. That was his responsibility
Lori: What did he have to do to do that?
Melanie: He had to hide because they were so…
Lori: Oh! (sarcastically)
Melanie: Well everyone was killing everybody..everybody was dying…
Lori: The scripture said they had to hide in the cavity of a rock by day and go out by night.
Melanie: The prophets did...the prophets did.
Lori: They did (said as a statement, not question)
Melanie: Well, ok thank you for sharing that with me. Well this scripture is just something that may be thoughtful for you, “For behold..” this is Doctrine & Covenants section 3 verse 7&8, “For behold you should not have feared man more than God. Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words. Yet you should have been faithful: and he would have extended his arm and supported you against all the fiery darts of the adversary; he would have been with you in every time of trouble.” So when we work with the Lord in obedience he’s there to protect us from adversarial darts and all kinds of negativity but when we open the door to satan he comes in and then he attacks and then he takes away to make it look like somebody else took it away. But that’s not how God works. He doesn’t work in darkness.
Lori: I agree with you 100% and that’s what the Lord is doing for me, exactly what he’s doing for me.
Melanie: I don’t know. It just sounds weird….
Lori: I’d love it.
Melanie: I was thinking about some of the things you guys have gone through and I saw this scripture today and…..
Lori: Let me ask you a question about a scripture. Did Alma turn himself into King Noah or what was he required to do?
Melanie: Well King Noah was incredibly wicked.
Lori: Yes!
Melanie: His evil ways which was adultery and living riotously and breaking all the commandments.
Lori: Right, so what was he required to do, Alma?
Melanie: He had to go and flee so he would be safe and then help other people realize how jacked up the system was and the government was.
Lori: What about Moroni? What was he required to do at the end?
Melanie: To carry on those plates and bury them. That was his responsibility
Lori: What did he have to do to do that?
Melanie: He had to hide because they were so…
Lori: Oh! (sarcastically)
Melanie: Well everyone was killing everybody..everybody was dying…
Lori: The scripture said they had to hide in the cavity of a rock by day and go out by night.
Melanie: The prophets did...the prophets did.
Lori: They did (said as a statement, not question)
Melanie: Well, ok thank you for sharing that with me. Well this scripture is just something that may be thoughtful for you, “For behold..” this is Doctrine & Covenants section 3 verse 7&8, “For behold you should not have feared man more than God. Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words. Yet you should have been faithful: and he would have extended his arm and supported you against all the fiery darts of the adversary; he would have been with you in every time of trouble.” So when we work with the Lord in obedience he’s there to protect us from adversarial darts and all kinds of negativity but when we open the door to satan he comes in and then he attacks and then he takes away to make it look like somebody else took it away. But that’s not how God works. He doesn’t work in darkness.
Lori: I agree with you 100% and that’s what the Lord is doing for me, exactly what he’s doing for me.
Melanie: I don’t know. It just sounds weird….
Lori: (unintelligible)...darkness Mel. Darkness is knocking on the door all the time because that’s the way dark works with the light and I promise you that I have done nothing wrong in this case that sometimes you have to hide in a cavity of a rock for your own life’s safety. And that’s what the Lord requires of you, sometimes and that’s how it is. And I’m sorry that’s how it is because there’s a lot of darkness on the earth.
Melanie: I know
Lori: That’s coming after me for zero reason besides the darkness of Kay which you already know she’s dark.
Melanie: I haven’t met her enough to know if she’s dark or not. I’ve just met her slightly and she seemed like a normal kind of person but then I haven’t engaged with her that much so I don’t know that personally.
Lori: So you don’t know about her changing the thing for herself to be the beneficiary of the policy? So none of that’s dark, right?
Melanie: Well, I haven’t seen those documents so I have no way of knowing.
Lori: You’ve seen them on my computer!
Melanie: No, I have not. I haven’t looked on your computer before. You haven’t shown me anything.
Lori: I don’t know why you’re being controversial to me or if you’re recording this conversation for the police or whatever. I don’t know what your intention is on this phone call.
Melanie: Well, I
Lori: I love you with all my heart and I have forever and I will always love you.
Melanie: I know
Lori: That’s coming after me for zero reason besides the darkness of Kay which you already know she’s dark.
Melanie: I haven’t met her enough to know if she’s dark or not. I’ve just met her slightly and she seemed like a normal kind of person but then I haven’t engaged with her that much so I don’t know that personally.
Lori: So you don’t know about her changing the thing for herself to be the beneficiary of the policy? So none of that’s dark, right?
Melanie: Well, I haven’t seen those documents so I have no way of knowing.
Lori: You’ve seen them on my computer!
Melanie: No, I have not. I haven’t looked on your computer before. You haven’t shown me anything.
Lori: I don’t know why you’re being controversial to me or if you’re recording this conversation for the police or whatever. I don’t know what your intention is on this phone call.
Melanie: Well, I
Lori: I love you with all my heart and I have forever and I will always love you.
Melanie: I appreciate those words but if you really loved me you would not have told the police that I had JJ with me. That’s not what a friend does. That just makes me look weird and it’s just, it’s not safe for me. I don’t look good. I mean you had to think of my welfare if you loved me.
Lori: I do and I did exactly what I felt the Lord was instructing me to do. And I appreciate you and I love you. And I would never do anything to harm you and you can all of this confirmed to you by the Lord.
Melanie: I have and my conscience is clear. I feel very understanding what’s really going on, Lori. And I believe that...look I believe that you have been very deceived by satan. I believe that he has tricked you and I just I don’t believe that what you’re doing is correct. I just don’t. I mean Tammy dies and then your husband died and then he’s (JJ) missing. It just doesn’t sound like God’s plan to me. It gives my gut feeling, like in my gut it feels weird, I don’t have peace about it. I never have felt 100% peace about it. I always felt like a little weird in my stomach about all these things.
Lori: You know me, Mel. You know me. This does not sound like you. This sounds like you’ve been influenced by somebody dark who wants you to believe dark things and have fear, to have fear of the celestial world.
Melanie: I don’t have fear.
Lori: You obviously do.
Melanie: No, I have a peace of conscious and I can see clearly.
Lori: Well I’m sorry that you feel that way. I love you so much.
Melanie: I know you do. I don’t know what else to say.
Lori: Stand with Christ when he comes again and he’s coming soon and we will all stand there and you will know at that point that he is supporting me and has supported me the whole time and I have not been deceived.
Chad: I just want to testify that I know Tammy was (unintelligible) conspiracy theories. My sister-in-law’s right behind it all and I hope that you’re not being influenced by that dark team.
Melanie: I don’t know who she is. I”m sorry, you said your sister-in-law? I don’t even know her.
Chad: I know but she’s coming up with the same type of theories and it’s just not true. My own children were there and they testified that Tammy had been getting weaker and sick and I begged her to go to the doctor. Her heart was failing her. She was physically falling apart. She hates doctors. She just passed away. That’s how it happened. My son Garth was right there with me the whole time. My kids were at the house within 20 mins of her passing. There were two coroners that checked her out right there on the bed. All these conspiracy theories just make me sick to my stomach. Absolutely sick. I’ve been told for years that Tammy would pass away at a young age. I had no idea that Lori would even be a part of my life. I just knew that my life had two segments. And I know Tammy is on a special mission and she’s with my kids. She’s visited them. There’s so much Melanie that you just...you just have to have faith. This is not some sort of master plan. There’s no way Lori and I could have ever come up with this, it’s just..
Melanie: You can understand my concern, right?
Chad: I can from an outside perspective…bur from a
Lori: From someone that knows as much as you know, no, not really. But we can feel Dave’s influence on you. I can feel that for sure.
Melanie: He’s a very good man and he has a very strong foundation. That I know
Chad: I know, but he seems to be the one that’s putting the doubts in your mind.
Melanie: You know what, I have come to understand that my gut feeling, I was not listening to it. I always felt uncomfortable with many things.
Chad: Ok
Lori: Well I’m sorry that I included you in those teachings then for your own sake because I wish that you didn’t have as much knowledge as you do have because you will be accountable for the knowledge that you do have, Mel.
Melanie: So will you.
Lori: I agree, 100%, I have no fear.
Melanie: I was reading the story of Korihor (in the Book of Mormon) and it is so very similar to this you just can’t see it. But he did it because he was trying to reclaim a people and he thought at the very end because of these carnal natural desires that’s what influenced him and he was very….
Lori: Me?! Carnal natural desires?
Melanie: Oh honey, you got a lot of natural desires. . We all know that.
Lori: I do and I did exactly what I felt the Lord was instructing me to do. And I appreciate you and I love you. And I would never do anything to harm you and you can all of this confirmed to you by the Lord.
Melanie: I have and my conscience is clear. I feel very understanding what’s really going on, Lori. And I believe that...look I believe that you have been very deceived by satan. I believe that he has tricked you and I just I don’t believe that what you’re doing is correct. I just don’t. I mean Tammy dies and then your husband died and then he’s (JJ) missing. It just doesn’t sound like God’s plan to me. It gives my gut feeling, like in my gut it feels weird, I don’t have peace about it. I never have felt 100% peace about it. I always felt like a little weird in my stomach about all these things.
Lori: You know me, Mel. You know me. This does not sound like you. This sounds like you’ve been influenced by somebody dark who wants you to believe dark things and have fear, to have fear of the celestial world.
Melanie: I don’t have fear.
Lori: You obviously do.
Melanie: No, I have a peace of conscious and I can see clearly.
Lori: Well I’m sorry that you feel that way. I love you so much.
Melanie: I know you do. I don’t know what else to say.
Lori: Stand with Christ when he comes again and he’s coming soon and we will all stand there and you will know at that point that he is supporting me and has supported me the whole time and I have not been deceived.
Chad: I just want to testify that I know Tammy was (unintelligible) conspiracy theories. My sister-in-law’s right behind it all and I hope that you’re not being influenced by that dark team.
Melanie: I don’t know who she is. I”m sorry, you said your sister-in-law? I don’t even know her.
Chad: I know but she’s coming up with the same type of theories and it’s just not true. My own children were there and they testified that Tammy had been getting weaker and sick and I begged her to go to the doctor. Her heart was failing her. She was physically falling apart. She hates doctors. She just passed away. That’s how it happened. My son Garth was right there with me the whole time. My kids were at the house within 20 mins of her passing. There were two coroners that checked her out right there on the bed. All these conspiracy theories just make me sick to my stomach. Absolutely sick. I’ve been told for years that Tammy would pass away at a young age. I had no idea that Lori would even be a part of my life. I just knew that my life had two segments. And I know Tammy is on a special mission and she’s with my kids. She’s visited them. There’s so much Melanie that you just...you just have to have faith. This is not some sort of master plan. There’s no way Lori and I could have ever come up with this, it’s just..
Melanie: You can understand my concern, right?
Chad: I can from an outside perspective…bur from a
Lori: From someone that knows as much as you know, no, not really. But we can feel Dave’s influence on you. I can feel that for sure.
Melanie: He’s a very good man and he has a very strong foundation. That I know
Chad: I know, but he seems to be the one that’s putting the doubts in your mind.
Melanie: You know what, I have come to understand that my gut feeling, I was not listening to it. I always felt uncomfortable with many things.
Chad: Ok
Lori: Well I’m sorry that I included you in those teachings then for your own sake because I wish that you didn’t have as much knowledge as you do have because you will be accountable for the knowledge that you do have, Mel.
Melanie: So will you.
Lori: I agree, 100%, I have no fear.
Melanie: I was reading the story of Korihor (in the Book of Mormon) and it is so very similar to this you just can’t see it. But he did it because he was trying to reclaim a people and he thought at the very end because of these carnal natural desires that’s what influenced him and he was very….
Lori: Me?! Carnal natural desires?
Melanie: Oh honey, you got a lot of natural desires. . We all know that.
Lori: That’s what you think is me? Korihor? Are you kidding me right now?
Melanie: I think both of you have..
Lori: Are you comparing me to Korihor right now?
Melanie:...similarities, it’s in the scriptures. It’s in the scriptures and the scriptures are very powerful.
Lori: Yes they are! I live by the scriptures as you know.
Melanie: I know but we can rest scriptures for our own vain glory.
Lori: I rested the scriptures?!
Melanie: We can, we can do and I feel that you have.
Lori: I…
Melanie: ..our belief system.
Lori: Do I rest the scriptures? Is that what you’re accusing me of at this point?
Melanie: I feel that you have.
Lori: Why do you feel that way? I need an explanation on this.
Melanie: Because if you look like the scripture just here…
Lori: The scriptures I read every single day…
Melanie: Oh I know you read them, I don’t doubt that. But this scripture right here says that you will be supported by all against all the fiery darts of the adversary. You would have been supported if you had not opened dark portals and dark jumps. You would have been safe if you would have obeyed God, he would have had your back, but you chased and tortured and…
Lori: Whether you knew this or not, He has had my back.
Melanie: Well, if he has your back you would not not be able to tell me where you are and could find JJ. Like where is he? I’ve been asking, where is he? And you know what I mean? That’s..
Lori: I could tell everything where JJ is right now and that would not be any good for JJ, so I’m sorry that you don’t want me to protect my children but I would never ask you not to protect your children.
Melanie: Of course, you wouldn’t.
Lori: So, I can tell that you’re just adversarial, Mel. I love you. I’m sorry that you feel this way.
Melanie: Because I actually do care, I share what I feel for you because I know your salvation is in trouble for what you’ve done.
Lori: My salvation is not in trouble at all and I think you should check that with the Lord again.
Melanie: Well, I’ve felt a lot of things from the Lord and this doesn’t feel right.
Lori: Well I’m sorry that you feel that way sweetheart. I”m sorry that you’re friends with all those who are against me. Joseph Smith’s friends turned against him..
Melanie: I’m not friends with people that are against you.
Lori: Apparently you are.
Melanie: I think both of you have..
Lori: Are you comparing me to Korihor right now?
Melanie:...similarities, it’s in the scriptures. It’s in the scriptures and the scriptures are very powerful.
Lori: Yes they are! I live by the scriptures as you know.
Melanie: I know but we can rest scriptures for our own vain glory.
Lori: I rested the scriptures?!
Melanie: We can, we can do and I feel that you have.
Lori: I…
Melanie: ..our belief system.
Lori: Do I rest the scriptures? Is that what you’re accusing me of at this point?
Melanie: I feel that you have.
Lori: Why do you feel that way? I need an explanation on this.
Melanie: Because if you look like the scripture just here…
Lori: The scriptures I read every single day…
Melanie: Oh I know you read them, I don’t doubt that. But this scripture right here says that you will be supported by all against all the fiery darts of the adversary. You would have been supported if you had not opened dark portals and dark jumps. You would have been safe if you would have obeyed God, he would have had your back, but you chased and tortured and…
Lori: Whether you knew this or not, He has had my back.
Melanie: Well, if he has your back you would not not be able to tell me where you are and could find JJ. Like where is he? I’ve been asking, where is he? And you know what I mean? That’s..
Lori: I could tell everything where JJ is right now and that would not be any good for JJ, so I’m sorry that you don’t want me to protect my children but I would never ask you not to protect your children.
Melanie: Of course, you wouldn’t.
Lori: So, I can tell that you’re just adversarial, Mel. I love you. I’m sorry that you feel this way.
Melanie: Because I actually do care, I share what I feel for you because I know your salvation is in trouble for what you’ve done.
Lori: My salvation is not in trouble at all and I think you should check that with the Lord again.
Melanie: Well, I’ve felt a lot of things from the Lord and this doesn’t feel right.
Lori: Well I’m sorry that you feel that way sweetheart. I”m sorry that you’re friends with all those who are against me. Joseph Smith’s friends turned against him..
Melanie: I’m not friends with people that are against you.
Lori: Apparently you are.
Melanie: I am not. I don’t know Kay. I don’t know who you’re talking about, your sister-in-law I don’t even know her name or who she is. I don’t know any of those people. Why would they contact me anyway? How would I even know about that?
Lori: Well you’re friends with Dave and he’s apparently (unintelligible) now.
Melanie: Well David is a very righteous man and I’ve always known that grounding about him and he has a lot of beautiful experiences with the Lord and these are not the same. You know
when you get the priesthood, that Peter, James & John show up and that he confirms..all those in the circle that are to get it, and everybody’s a witness of that. Everybody’s a witness that the pattern is in the scriptures. There’s no witness that you ever received what you think you received. Nobody has seen that but you. There’s no witness! The witness..Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdry, Martin Harris…they witnessed (witnessed the Book of Mormon) and they all showed up!
Lori: Is there a witness when Jesus & Heavenly Father gave that to Joseph Smith by himself in the grove? Was there a witness?
Melanie: No, but they had it later with other people. That was one experience but others joined later, he brought others into it, they had experiences…
Lori: Is that in the scriptures? Yes or no?
Melanie: That Joesph was alone when he saw God, the father and his son Jesus Christ?
Lori: Yes.
Melanie: Yes, he was alone.
Lori: He was alone.
Melanie: But he had to open it up first…
Lori: But that’s not a pattern at all?
Melanie: What I’m saying is that after he saw that and other people joined in they saw the things with him. He wasn’t alone. There was a witness for them. There was no witness, nobody has ever seen what you’ve seen or experienced what you’ve seen. That’s your own witness, but nobody…
Lori: I know it, I know that God knows it and I’ll never deny it or my soul would be at stake if I did. So you can say it didn’t happen to me Mel, but if I say it then I am accountable. You didn’t witness it, but I did.
Melanie: Ok, but your behaviors are not ok. I understand that’s what you believe you saw but this is the thing that I see, is that your behavior is not one of somebody that’s seen Christ…
Lori: I never had any idea that you would be the person of all people to judge me. I cannot believe it.
Melanie: I’m asking questions and I’m concerned for you. That is what somebody does when they care.
Lori: You don’t sound like you’re concerned. You sound like you’re accusatory. You do not sound concerned. You sound pissed off.
Melanie: I’m not. I’m very…I am troubled. Maybe that’s the better word. Troubled. Because these things, like you being with Chad before he’s even divorced is unusual behavior for a person that’s seen Jesus Christ.
Lori: I was never with him and he was never divorced.
Melanie: Honey, I’ve seen you guys together. Oh so I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him, and walk around the track at BYU with him, I never saw that?
Lori: You’re the one that’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.
Melanie: Oh honey, I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Lori: Right, that’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s what I’m saying, you are going off the deep end..
Melanie: I’m just saying this is not the behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.
Lori: Really? Have you ever seen Jesus Christ? So you know what the future behavior would be if you’d seen Jesus Christ?
Melanie: I know that when I pray…
Lori: I know what I need to do every day and he does protect me and he is protecting me and he will protect me against this accusation as well. We will both stand there with Him and you tell me if I was lying or not when we’re both standing there with Jesus Christ.
Melanie: Well, ok. (call ends)
Lori: Well you’re friends with Dave and he’s apparently (unintelligible) now.
Melanie: Well David is a very righteous man and I’ve always known that grounding about him and he has a lot of beautiful experiences with the Lord and these are not the same. You know
when you get the priesthood, that Peter, James & John show up and that he confirms..all those in the circle that are to get it, and everybody’s a witness of that. Everybody’s a witness that the pattern is in the scriptures. There’s no witness that you ever received what you think you received. Nobody has seen that but you. There’s no witness! The witness..Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdry, Martin Harris…they witnessed (witnessed the Book of Mormon) and they all showed up!
Lori: Is there a witness when Jesus & Heavenly Father gave that to Joseph Smith by himself in the grove? Was there a witness?
Melanie: No, but they had it later with other people. That was one experience but others joined later, he brought others into it, they had experiences…
Lori: Is that in the scriptures? Yes or no?
Melanie: That Joesph was alone when he saw God, the father and his son Jesus Christ?
Lori: Yes.
Melanie: Yes, he was alone.
Lori: He was alone.
Melanie: But he had to open it up first…
Lori: But that’s not a pattern at all?
Melanie: What I’m saying is that after he saw that and other people joined in they saw the things with him. He wasn’t alone. There was a witness for them. There was no witness, nobody has ever seen what you’ve seen or experienced what you’ve seen. That’s your own witness, but nobody…
Lori: I know it, I know that God knows it and I’ll never deny it or my soul would be at stake if I did. So you can say it didn’t happen to me Mel, but if I say it then I am accountable. You didn’t witness it, but I did.
Melanie: Ok, but your behaviors are not ok. I understand that’s what you believe you saw but this is the thing that I see, is that your behavior is not one of somebody that’s seen Christ…
Lori: I never had any idea that you would be the person of all people to judge me. I cannot believe it.
Melanie: I’m asking questions and I’m concerned for you. That is what somebody does when they care.
Lori: You don’t sound like you’re concerned. You sound like you’re accusatory. You do not sound concerned. You sound pissed off.
Melanie: I’m not. I’m very…I am troubled. Maybe that’s the better word. Troubled. Because these things, like you being with Chad before he’s even divorced is unusual behavior for a person that’s seen Jesus Christ.
Lori: I was never with him and he was never divorced.
Melanie: Honey, I’ve seen you guys together. Oh so I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him, and walk around the track at BYU with him, I never saw that?
Lori: You’re the one that’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.
Melanie: Oh honey, I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Lori: Right, that’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s what I’m saying, you are going off the deep end..
Melanie: I’m just saying this is not the behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.
Lori: Really? Have you ever seen Jesus Christ? So you know what the future behavior would be if you’d seen Jesus Christ?
Melanie: I know that when I pray…
Lori: I know what I need to do every day and he does protect me and he is protecting me and he will protect me against this accusation as well. We will both stand there with Him and you tell me if I was lying or not when we’re both standing there with Jesus Christ.
Melanie: Well, ok. (call ends)
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