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@Rjrasva
Apr 23, 2024 • 9 tweets • 4 min read • Read on X
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Manchu larper (Li Shuo is most likely a peasant from Shandong whose ancestors migrated to Manchuria in late 19th cent) & "Aryan" larper both bringing hilarity. Schopenhauer on situation of animals in his day in Europe
& until early 20th cent Chinese had
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a strong taboo against beef (including male buffaloes), especially in southern China. To quote Mao on this

This is because oxen helped the Chinese peasant plough & came to be seen as family. The 2 groups most strongly associated with beef in 19th cent Qing books.google.com/books?id=RW4YD…
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were Mohammedans & Westerners

u will still find remnants of this taboo in Taiwan, old Chinese songs against beef eating. Late Joseon Korean intellectuals argued for a ban on beef in Korea citing Qing laws as a model on both ethical & agricultural grounds
This comes from late Qing stelae of 1877 found in Yunnan:

Discussing the protection of farm cattle based on the "Stele Record of the Eternal Ban on Slaughtering Cows"
2022-10-16

sohu.com/a/593159687_12…

Tasan is probably the most well known late Joseon Korean intellectual, note the sentence:

'Is it right to eat both the grain produced by the strength of oxen and the meat of the oxen themselves?' How true this is!
The divine bovine
Mar 17, 2021


On the remnants of this taboo in Taiwantaipeitimes.com/News/feat/arch…
& attached is one of the many critiques of Christianity offered in late Ming & early Qing Image
Many among the Chinese Muslims-the Hui-made a living from the bovine slaughter which caused tensions and even conflicts throughout China... The beef-eating habits of Westerners, notably in Shanghai, caused outrage among Chinese observers books.google.com/books?id=XWPHA…
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The oldest and most influential among these is a long ballad, entitled "The Bovine Crying for Justice" (Niu siu yuan), in which a slaughtered buffalo recalls his life of toil and curses the farmer who sold him to the butcher Image

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Jun 24, 2024

It is doubtful that it had much to do with Indian Buddhism as it extended to buffalos, was geography specific (stronger in southern China), was cited as a model in early 1800's on y a similar ban needs to be there in Korea by a Confucian like Tasan who

cited agricultural reasons as well as moral. Rather the East Asian beef taboo should be seen as a case of convergent evolution, not much to do with India or Buddhism. Malthus also argued against beef eating for similar reasons & in

cambridge.org/core/books/abs…
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Plato's Republic the coveting of meat along with other luxuries is noted as a cause of war as raising animals needs more land & land is fixed. The attached dialogue is between Socrates & Glaucon

Furthermore in a more modern context it may be noted that in ia801905.us.archive.org/23/items/Plato…
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Mar 29, 2023

Innumerate code monkeys r now petroleum geologists

What Hubbert predicted came true, US conventional oil production has been on a long downward slide since 1970's, this is y the Arab blackmail worked in 73 but not in 67

No1 claimed "oil is ending", oil will be there long after humans r gone because u can never extract all oil/gas/coal in the ground
Shale has been known of for decades but for it to be extracted u need higher prices which is what happened when oil hit 147$
in 2008. The same is true for shale in Vaca Muerta in Argentina, Colombian Luna shale, & the Bazhenov giant in Russia. 25$ is not good enough to turn a profit there

US shale is at peak & declining
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Mar 27, 2023
Observations on the Mussulmauns of India
Descriptive of Their Manners, Customs, Habits, and Religious Opinions
Volume 1
By B Mrs Mīr Ḣasan 'Alī · 1832
google.com/books/edition/…
Englishwoman who married a Mohammedan from Lucknow & lived in India from 1816-1828
Ludditism stops tech

Such attitudes not unique, there was a late 1700's Shogun who rejected some Dutch tech on similar grounds. Chinese of 19th cent also same where as enough Japanese intellectuals saw futility of Luddsm
Attached is Siebold who lived in Japan in early 1800's

Woodblock printing for e. g. was known & used to print textiles but they never made the leap to print books. Why? 1

Block Printing: The History & Craftmanship of Indian Block Prints
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Mar 14, 2023

JAPAN AND THE WORLD IN TOKUGAWA MAPS
by Karen Wigen

it might have surprised Perry to learn that the “hermit Empire” was awash with information about the rest of the world. In the decades before his arrival, Japanese cartographers had designed dozens of Image
In fact, in 1810, a Japanese official made a map that was arguably the most comprehensive available at the time anywhere in the world... How can we account for this state of affairs? How did a relatively reclusive polity gather sufficient information about the world Image
At the time of his arrival in Edo Bay, the Japanese elite knew more about America than Americans knew about Japan. Indeed, despite their relative isolation, the Japanese knew more about the West than most other Asians did, including the Chinese

- Ian Buruma Image
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Mar 11, 2023

Shogun & his officialdom knew & most intellectuals of significance knew, some commoners too
How could they not have known? Japanese sailed to Mexico in early 1600's itself en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasekura_…
Tokugawa era Japanese elite weren't braindead kangers
The
observations of these visitors to Europe, Goa, New Spain,& Philippines would play a role in Shogunate's decision to extirpate Xtians & close Japan because those who went saw Japanese slaves being sold in Goa by Xtians, colonization of Philippines, New Spain helped along by padres
Here is the man tasked with extirpating Xtians from Japan:

"Mexico, Lucon, and many other countries he has thus got into his power. Since Japan is hard to conquer in war, he sends his padres"

Lucon is Luzon island in Philippines Image
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Feb 27, 2023

Reach for ur gun when any vishwaguru gives wisdom on "free markets" South Korea

Not only that, much of it was emulation of wartime Japan & Manchukuo (where Park served) & helped along by postwar Japan. To begin with, he went to World Bank & asked them for
a loan to get into steel making which was denied as SK had no "comparative adv". At the time Japanese gov't compensated several countries for WW2 & their 35 yr rule of Korean peninsula (see attached)
donga.com/en/List/articl…
They proposed compensating any
individual Koreans victimized directly, Park instead said he would take care of that, took the money & put it into infra development like dams etc. Japanese gov't also encouraged J steel industry to do tech transfer to Koreans

Beyond that, he rounded up
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