Noir works how it does because it is a post WW2 story
every male character is a recently returned veteran with PTSD & intensive combat skill, the cops & criminals would have proudly died for each other like a year ago so its super fucked up when they fight, those involved in crime on either side are failing to reintegrate into civilian life
every male character is a recently returned veteran with PTSD & intensive combat skill, the cops & criminals would have proudly died for each other like a year ago so its super fucked up when they fight, those involved in crime on either side are failing to reintegrate into civilian life
The weird thing about women is because the women didn't go to war, so a good relationship with a good woman represents a path back towards civilian life.
They're all drinking so much because they have PTSD
The protagonists are alienated & down on their luck cause they're vets
They're all drinking so much because they have PTSD
The protagonists are alienated & down on their luck cause they're vets
All this would have been perfectly obvious at the time, but so unpleasant that no one would directly say it
Modern attempts to do neo-noir go weird because, generally, they don't acknowledge or even seem to understand that noir is primarily about the aftermath of ww2
Modern attempts to do neo-noir go weird because, generally, they don't acknowledge or even seem to understand that noir is primarily about the aftermath of ww2
Like 40 people followed me because of this, and they'll all be super disappointed when i never say another word about noir fiction ever again & go back to dealing with ttrpgs
https://twitter.com/ForestedDepth/status/1783116371494318081?t=AdwRHPRAow7s96Uh_bPFuw&s=19
Explanation one: I didn't literally mean that no woman ever served in the US military in ww2. There were 10s of 1000s and I thank them for their service. However, the ww2 military was 95% male & women weren't allowed to be in combat roles till 2013. Far far fewer women were vets
Explanation two: noir is named that because of a series of related stories by a handful of authors, many of which had "black" or "dark" in the title.
These weren't written till the 40s
Anything noirish in the 20s or 30s is proto-noir, before it was a named and explicit genre
These weren't written till the 40s
Anything noirish in the 20s or 30s is proto-noir, before it was a named and explicit genre
Yeah, I was literally only bringing any of this up as a point about cyberpunk neo-noir that I wanted to go on the record about more explicitly
https://twitter.com/Alsadius/status/1784540502567584229?t=2tif2JyFP4GW86uABdvIzw&s=19
This thread probably got more attention than it deserved & enough people are confident enough that I'm wrong (the counterclaim is: "that can't possibly be true, noir begins pre WW2") that I'm a bit worried that I spread misinformation
so... take this with a grain of salt
so... take this with a grain of salt
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