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May 16 16 tweets 7 min read Read on X
1/ 🎯Bland-Altman analysis is the common way to evaluate AI in #EchoFirst. However, BA analyses can be tricky to interpret. 🧵On the paradox of BA analysis for AI in #EchoFirst with examples from our studies on #AutoMAPSE 📜
#Foamed #Cardiotwitter rdcu.be/dH8aR
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2/ BA analysis is an important approach used for comparing 2⃣measuement methods for measuring the same unit, like #MAPSE (mm) and #AutoMAPSE (mm). ‼️Correlation (r) is inappropriate yet commonly used because it is seductive. Read the reasoning in their📜: doi.org/10.1016/S0140-…

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3/ The output in BA analysis is 1⃣bias &2⃣limits of agreement (LOA). Bias is the avg difference across all paired measurements of manual MAPSE and autoMAPSE. LOA=+/- 2SD of the bias in the study. The bias and LOA is presented in a BA plot from 📜: rdcu.be/dH0mY
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4/ Ideally, the bias is zero. Two scenarios can give zero bias. 1⃣: The 2 methods measure EXACTLY the same in all cases - this is never the case. 2⃣: The 2 methods measure differently, but the differences are random and therefore cancel out in the study - this is common and OK.
5/ If the bias is very different from zero (defined clinically), inspect the BA plot. If the data is evenly spread around the bias, then the bias is systematic and can be calibrated by subtraction the bias. If not, then the two methods may be different: doi.org/10.1034/j.1399…
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6/ The LOA is "the 95% CI of the bias". Because two methods NEVER measure EXACTLY the same, LOA is never +\- zero. How wide LOA is acceptable requires judgement, and there are two common approaches for this: the usual way and the AI-in-#EchoFirst way.
7/ The usual way is by asking: "Does differences in measurement by one-sided LOA cause clinical issues?" If no, then the two methods are interchangeable. This approach works when the one of the methods is the gold standard as the differences are from errors in the new method.
8/ Unfortunately, there is no gold standard in #EchoFirst studies. In our studies on #AutoMAPSE, humans are both the reference method AND the method to beimproved. This is common but makes interpretation of LOA difficult; the LOA can be due to human error or errors in #AutoMAPSE.
9/ Error in either method of BA analysis will widen the LOA. If errors in the reference is unrecognised, the AI-method will be discarded despite being a promising method. This Editorial in @BJAJournals show how error in the refrence method affects LOA: doi.org/10.1093/bja/ae…
10/ How to overcome this issue of human error? One popular solution is to assess how much human error to expect by assessing interobs variability. If LOA between #AutoMAPSE and manual #MAPSE is similar for two humans, then #AutoMAPSE is probably OK. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10877-023-01118-x
11/ Another solution is a test-retest study design to assess precision. If precision of #AutoMAPSE is good and bias is zero, then a wide LOA is likely human error. We tried test-retest for our study, but the study design was suboptimal. Better results are coming soon. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10877-023-01118-x
12/ A third solution is to assess the two methods for predicting an outcome. If they are equal, but the AI is faster n' easier, then use the AI irrespective of LOA. This is also how a new method can eventually replace the current standard: doi.org/10.7326/0003-4…
13/ So, back to #AutoMAPSE vs. manual #MAPSE. The bias was near-zero and LOA from this study was -3.7 to 4.5 mm; too wide if the reference was a gold standard. However, it was human measurements. We must determine how much human error to expect.
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14/ Interobs variability was assessed a priori and the LOA was similar to our results (-4.7 to 3.0 mm): 📜. Thus, the LOA between #AutoMAPSE and manual #MAPSE seems OK, and we concluded that #AutoMAPSE provides valid measurements overall. doi.org/10.1093/ehjimp…
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15/ However, we reassessed the interobs between another pair of observers, and the LOA was narrower...this emphasises the variability of human measurements and the challenges of using BA analysis alone. More studies on #AutoMAPSE with data other than BA analysis is coming soon! Image
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May 13
🧵1/ #AutoMAPSE had high feasibility for estimating MAPSE from ≥1⃣wall. Many worry that #MAPSE is limited by RWMA, such as acute MI - however, evidence suggests that regional MAPSE reflects global LV function.

#EchoFirst #POCUS #FOAMed #CardioTwitter rdcu.be/dHLxx
2/ Several studies have shown that in AMI, MAPSE is ⬇️even in walls remote to MI. This was confirmed experimentally by Berg et al, in an experiment occluding the LAD in pigs and measuring #MAPSE by #WhyCMR.
First paper:
Berg et al: doi.org/10.1080/140174…
doi.org/10.1152/japplp…
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3/ ⬇️MAPSE in remote walls is explained through the distribution of afterload. For a specific region to shorten, that region must overcome the opposing afterload imposed by its neighboring region, which is shortening in the opposite direction.
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Mar 25
🧵We have now refined AutoMAPSE.!
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⬆️New paper on #autoMAPSE showing that the newest version achieves an optimal balance between feasibility, analysis speed, and agreement.
A🧵on the clinical importance of these findings
#echofirst #CardioTwitter #POCUS doi.org/10.1016/j.ultr…
1/ Our design involved measurements from 🔟beats per #EchoFirst recording. This is very different from the usual practice of measuring 1-3 beats. What are the advantages?
2/ Measuring 1-3 beats in #Echofirst involves huge physiological variability. How?
❤️🫁 interactions can cause serious beat-to-beat variations in any echo measurement. Often overlooked, these changes may be misinterpreted as real. Acting on wrong info ⬆️the risk of harm.
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Feb 11
The RVOT or PA Doppler has a lot of underutilized potential for hemodynamic monitoring of the RV #ThePeoplesVentricle

🧵On the physiology of the RVOT/PA Doppler. Simplified understandings. Corrections are welcome!😃
#FOAMcc #EchoFirst #Cardiotwitter #FOAMed #Medtwitter #POCUS Image
VTI reflects stroke volume, but values are much lower than for LVOT. Lower cut-off for 60-79 year olds is actually around 10 cm.
Monitoring changes are likely more useful. doi.org/10.1016/j.jcmg…
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AcT and Vmax/AT both reflects RV afterload. Increased afterload reduces AT and Vmax/AT.
➡️AcT correlates with mPAP and PVR.
doi.org/10.1161/01.CIR…
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Jan 31
🚨Automatic measurement of LV function in #ICU is possible by automatic measurement of #MAPSE using TEE and AI #AutoMAPSE
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1/🧵Still, many prefer EF for LV function. How does MAPSE compare to EF, and is MAPSE better?
#EchoFirst #POCUS #FOAMed rdcu.be/dxsEU
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2/ #MAPSE and EF are highly correlated. EF reflects SV/EDV, while MAPSE reflect SV/outer cross-sectional area.

Appreciate their relationship in this figure⬇️ doi.org/10.1152/ajphea…
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3/ In heart failure with⬇️EF, the LV dilates, and both EF and #MAPSE falls from increases EDV and outer cross-sectional area.

The figure shows that both EF and MAPSE falls during LV dilatation. #CardioTwitter Image
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Jan 28
🧵1/
Many try to monitor LV function using #POCUS or #EchoFirst, but echo does not work for monitoring.

Let's understand why #POCUS fails at monitoring LV function and how #AutoMAPSE can help.
#MAPSE

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@JcmcSoMe #FOAMcc #FOAMed #CardioTwitter rdcu.be/dw7fT
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2/
The goal of monitoring is
1⃣to detecting small and early changes
2⃣so that therapies can help patients.

For successful monitoring, the measurements must be precise and acquired rapidly and effortlessly. Neither #EchoFirst nor #POCUS fulfil these criteria.
3/
Eyeballing is rapid, effortless, and OK for diagnosing LV dysfunction.

But eyeballing is NOT precise because it categorises LV function.

Changes in LVEF from 45 to 30% are important, yet still in the same category ➡️ undetectable by categorical assessment.
Read 12 tweets
Jan 13
1/
Ventriculoarterial coupling (#VAC) determines the harms and benefits of hemodynamic therapies.

VAC describes cardiac efficiency, and offers a complementary perspective to CO, MAP and tissue perfusion.

Let’s try to understand it🧵
#FOAMcc #FOAMed #MedTwitter #CardioTwitter Image
2/
VAC is the matching afterload (Ea) to contractility (Ees) and reflect the heart's energy efficiency.

VAC can be understood using the analogy of riding a bicycle.
3/
The resistance in the pedals represent afterload (Ea). Your leg strength represent contractility (Ees).
With too⬆️resistance in the pedals, you spend a lot of energy without moving forward and eventually give up. This is analogous to poor VAC progressing into cardiac failure.
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