The dissent by Judge Sebutinde is incredible and eviscerates the @CIJ_ICJ as applying standards never applied to any other states party. I'm going to highlight a few parts because they're quite notable.
That final paragraph is a HOLY SHIT moment on the objectivity and fairness of the court.
Notably, Israel was not given time to respond and WAS NOT ABLE TO ENGAGE COUNSEL. Further, it was required to respond during a religious observance.
This is not done to other states.
She then eviscerates the Court on the micromangement of the war, outside of the scope of the authority of the Court. Also, she states that the order will be misconstrued on what the order means regarding hostilies in Rafah. So far, she's right!
She then states that the allegation that there has been a substantial deteriation of the humanitarian condition in Gaza is without evidence because all evidence suggests that more aid has been entering and Israel has been working to INCREASE AID.
Judge Sebutinde then states that it is uncontradicted that there are efforts to reopen Rafah, that more crossings are opening, and that Kerem Shalom is operating at an increased capacity. So South Africa effectively misleads the Court.
Furthermore, there has been an increase of aid by thousands of trucks entering Gaza. This has resulted in the opening of bakeries, field hospitals, and increased hygiene.
Then she states that this fact is supported by the UN's own coordinator, quoting them as saying that there "is very constructive cooperation with her mission" and Israel.
Next, she goes into the fact that evidence shows that Israel has taken concrete steps to improve the access to medical facilities and healthcare. Israel has opened EIGHT field hospitals, with another about to open.
Judge Sebutinde also notes that Israel has taken action to warn civilians to leave areas of combat operations, even requiring them to evacuate. Israel has further acted to provide shelter to civilians and permitted the entrance of shelter equipment.
"Such actions are inconsistent with the intent to destroy the group in question."
Israel's efforts have not entirely alleviated the humanitarian crisis, but that is a consequence of war. Which does not render Israel's war illegitimate or unlawful.
More important: "Israel does not currently govern or exercise full control over the Gaza Strip."
What does that last sentence mean? It means under the Hague Convention that Israel is *not* occupying the Gaza Strip because it has not supplanted authority over the civilian population instead of Hamas.
This is a *huge* deal in the actual perspective and application of the law.
She also notes: "Hamas' conduct has also impeded the effective dielivery of aid. hamas has launched rocket attacks at aid crossings and at the construction site of Gaza's floating pier. There is also evidence that Hamas has seized aid for its own use."
Then noting that Egypt has impeded the access of aid into Gaza by preventing the movement of aid trucks from Egypt to Kerem Shalom to enter Gaza instead of via Rafah.
Which she had previously noted Israel was trying to fix. But it takes more than one party to tango.
Judge Sebutinde then notes that the Court is making a pressumption that cannot be made at this stage of the proceedings. But must wait until the merits stage of the proceedings.
Another indicator of a double-standard by the @CIJ_ICJ, which is quite alarming.
@CIJ_ICJ Again, she reiterates that this order is going to be misunderstood and misconstrued. She's right. Many nefarious parties are already doing this. Also stating this is effectively micromanaging a conflict outside their bounds.
It also leaves Hamas the ability to attack Israel.
@CIJ_ICJ Also, important, she notes that the preservation of evidence requirement on Israel is nefarious in itself as evidence suggests that Hamas itself is destroying documentary evidence.
There's also plenty of people that have entered Gaza who can report back.
@CIJ_ICJ In making its application, she notes: "South Africa has also not put forward any specific evidence that Israel is engaging in the destruction of evidence that may require the indication of new measures relating to this issue."
The ICJ is giving measures without evidence, yikes.
@CIJ_ICJ Another indication of the double-standard that Judge Sebutinde notes: this has never been ordered by the ICJ against any other state for any reason. This approach differs substantially from other cases where there was less attention or international scrutiny.
Another: yikes!
@CIJ_ICJ Judge Sebutinde is also openly hostile to South Africa's requests and the orders for reports at this point using language such as "yet again" as a measure of showcasing the hypocrisy and nefarious nature of these proceedings.
@CIJ_ICJ And to end this thread with where we started, we should highlight the conclusion paragraph.
"The Court's decisions in this respect bear upon the procedural equiality between the Parties and the good administration of justice by the Court."
The fact that the ICJ is acting in such a way that is openly hostile to Israel, its rights under the law and custom, as well as the fact that the ICJ is changing its own standards or imposing what it never has, is why the proceedings are viewed as antisemitic.
Double-standards against Israel that is not applied to any other state is antisemitism.
@CIJ_ICJ OH, one more note: Judge Sebutinde also effectively eviscerates @KarimKhanQC's application for warrants without stating so explicitly.
Showcasing the evidence that exists contrary to what the application states to @IntlCrimCourt.
Fascinating.
And as a reminder, this is a dissenting opinion. However, it is quite notable for what it states on the face of the complaint and actions taken by South Africa.
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Here’s the thing, this is objectively false under the law. For this to be true Israel would have to have the intent, and even to infer intent you have to meet certain prongs given to us by ICTY.
@academic_la acts as if he knows what he’s talking about. He portrays himself as an expert.
He’s not.
When I had a conversation with him and recited the Genocide Convention’s Art. II he immediately berated me and tried to demean me. It’s because he didn’t know what the intent required for genocide was.
We also know that there isn’t indiscriminate bombings of hospitals. We know Hamas has weaponized them (Palestinians are telling us this). GCIV 19 applies here, and from what we can tell, Israel has followed the requirements of it. We also know that Hamas has weaponized the totality of Gaza’s civilian infrastructure for the purpose of fighting war, boobytrapping much of it. Again, Palestinians are the ones telling us this.
There’s no starvation in Gaza, we know enough calories have entered the Gaza Strip to sustain the population for at least one more month. We also know that Israel’s obligations can cease under GCIV 23, when a combatant party (Hamas) diverts the aid from civilians. Again, Palestinians are telling us that Hamas is doing this. We also know that Israel is working to establish a new (and larger) humanitarian zone with the intent to bring aid to civilians under the obligations of GCIV 23, and to provide a humanitarian zone in compliance with GCIV 14 & 15.
We also have zero evidence of plans for ethnic cleansing. Moreover, ethnic cleansing ≠ genocide. The legal concept of ethnic cleansing is poorly defined but largely requires making a geographic place ethnically homogenous. Israel isn’t doing that. Palestinians should be permitted to leave Gaza if they choose, but they shouldn’t be forced. Israel does plan to permit Palestinians to leave if they so choose, it has as of yet no plan to mandate Palestinians leave (aka expulsion).
Next, the IDF has referred to the Military Advocate General (MAG) the killing of aid workers. This implies that the independent observer found potential criminality. Referral to the MAG is a good sign that Israel intends to comply with the law of armed conflict/IHL. Now, Israel was caught blindly accepting the narrative it was told by the soldiers who committed the violation. This suggests that Israel had a looser investigatory presence. It doing more is a good thing.
Now, to discuss the conflict a bit more, as of today we know that the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health has reported 52,245 deaths in Gaza since the start of the war. Of that we expect 9,700 to be natural deaths (which Hamas has quietly started to admit). Leaving us with about 42,500 violent deaths from the war. Of this we know almost 23,000 deaths are combatants (as corroborated by the Biden admin). Leaving us with about 19,600 civilian deaths from the violence killed by both Israel and Hamas (we know deaths attributable to Hamas are in the death toll).
This would defeat three of the four ICTY prongs for inference to the dolus specialis level of intent. (Scale of atrocities, systemic targeting of protected groups, and evidence of conscious planning).
We do actually have to assess everything, not just appeal to our emotions in order to be accepted on social media.
Basically, this post by @academic_la should indicate that he’s not an expert on the law. Or really an expert on actual warfare except historical battles.
He’s doing this to be accepted by those who want to lead us back to the gas chambers, and cheerled the most recent genocide of Jews committed by Hamas on October 7, 2023.
It’s funny because @academic_la unblocked me to comment and then blocked me again.
But since he commented I guess here’s more time to give another assessment to try to infer intent (back to scale): if we know that about 19,700 civilians have been killed by the violence by either Hamas or Israel (so far, surely this will increase), and we know that the population pre-war was 2,230,000 people, we see that 0.88% of the pre-war population has been killed and are civilians.
That’s not a large enough scale to infer intent.
Further, we know (per the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health) that about 5,500 births happen in Gaza per month. Or, a total of about 100,000 new births in Gaza.
100,000 new lives > 52,245 total reported deaths.
Again, defeating the inference to intent under the prongs for ICTY.
Facts (and law), they matter, not our emotions to be accepted by those who want to kill us.
One more thought: When people do what Shaiel is doing here, which is an effect based assessment, you land up causing more harm to innocent people because you signal that the party human shielding and weaponizing civilian infrastructure meant to be protected can get away with it.
Effect based assessments is also not how you do anything with LOAC/IHL. This is strictly an intent based assessment at the time the order is given/trigger is pulled.
It is imperative that we never go into this type of analysis as it gives a green light to the opposite of the intent of LOAC/IHL. Much of the purpose of the law is to prevent the weaponization of civilian infrastructure as a means to protect civilian populations. This must be upheld to help mitigate harm. Which is also why we enhance the requirements for a proportionality analysis when such weaponization occurs. However, when places are evacuated and the entirety of the infrastructure is set to kill your soldiers, it creates a weird paradox under the law that permits the destruction of such infrastructure.
When a party weaponizes such infrastructure, as Hamas does, it is absolutely imperative that we hold them to account for that and the result of such action. Meaning the loss of protected status for such places.
You should want better for Palestinian civilians. You should want them to be protected from the horrors of war, especially this war. However, when you engage in the conduct that Shaiel is doing here, and many do, you signal to those causing them the harm by weaponizing their homes, hospitals, schools, mosques, etc. that they can get away with it.
So I read through the article and still can't believe it was published.
It's quite alarming at various points in degrading what the law actually says. Here, Alonso argues that a dolus eventualis intent is acceptable, when the law as written is dolus specialis.
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Further, the law as we know it and have always known it is admittedly in the opposite of what Alonso is saying here. Judge Nolte is correct in what he wrote here in relation to the intent for genocide. This is unquestionably true.
Alonso's trying to shift that to find intent that he admits does not actually exist.
Here, Alonso is engaging in something that is not proven. The footnote citation also doesn't say this, it says that Netanyahu lobbied Egypt to accept evacuees on its territory, which Israel was entitled to ask as the law permits combatant parties to attempt to evacuate civilians from combat zones. See: IV Geneva, Art. 49; Additional Protocol I, Art. 58.
This would only be illegal in the context that the Palestinian refugees were not permitted to return to Gaza after the war. That is never explicitly stated as the goal of the government. Alonso is attempting to infer it through bias and citing government officials who have no power to make that decision.
However, the citation also does not at all state that anyone had died of starvation at this point in time. It's an article from Oct. 30, 2023, before the talk about famine had ever actually begun (and after aid had started flowing into Gaza on Oct. 19).
This is morally depraved, abhorrent, reprehensible, disgusting, and every single adjective you can think of.
Following the ICTY prongs (which is what the ICJ did):
1. Statements indicating genocidal intent in context (Hitler said the ultimate goal was to remove the Jews altogether, Goebbels sold the war as one against Jews directly)
2. The scale of atrocities committed (Jews are still a smaller population today than in 1941. 6,000,000 were systematically murdered)
3. Systematic targeting of a protected group (Jews were systematically targeted through Nuremberg laws and then deported to extermination camps where they were gassed. Jews are protected as a religious group)
4. Evidence that the commission of the genocidal actus reus was consciously planned (the Wannsee Conference happened)
Every single prong for inference from ICTY is easily met for the Nazis. But we don’t actually need the prongs as the Nazis recorded themselves committing the crime of genocide. They explicitly had a planning meeting to do so.
What Dunkelberg is doing here is trying to conflate those with Israel, so let’s do ourselves a favor. Prongs are listed above.
1. Netanyahu’s “Amalek” statement is cited as genocidal intent, yet it’s also the same phrase on The Hague’s Holocaust monument (and its name), Herzog’s statement about fighting “human animals” is used as a genocidal intent, yet he was explicit in saying it was about Hamas (they’re not a protected group) and saying civilians must be protected, Gallant’s “siege” remark is used as evidence of genocidal intent, yet his statement was explicit to Gaza CITY not the Gaza STRIP, he gave civilians a month to evacuate. Prong 1 likely fails.
2. To determine scale we can see that the human toll (today at 44,875 total reported deaths including combatants) is less than population grown (~5,500/month per Doctors Without Borders, so ~77,000 since the start of the war). Death is not required for genocide. However, here we can use it for inference. Further, destruction in Gaza cannot (at this point) be determinative of intent as we know Hamas as a combatant party uses human shielding, we have years of evidence of this and they openly admit it. Prong 2 fails.
3. It’s curious that evidence suggests about 19,000 combatants killed in the war so far with a total of 44,875 total reported deaths so systematic targeting of a protected group is likely not happening. Again, with prong 2 we have knowledge of human shielding. The intent must be to target Palestinians as a protected group (which, by the way, the ICJ’s “plausible” determination was that Palestinian are protected as at least a national group, which I agree with). So, prong 3 fails.
4. There is zero evidence of planning for a genocide. With aid entering Gaza and recorded calories entering in excess of what’s necessary to sustain life, as well as steps taken to admit where a problem in a strike has occurred and taking responsibility for harm, this prong fails, too.
These are very different things and what Alonso did here was the most disgusting form of Holocaust distortion and display of actual antisemitism.
Alonso Guremndi Dunkelberg is a very bad person who has spent 14 months intentionally misleading people.
I find this historically, and legally, illiterate.
The only time Jews didn’t live in the West Bank (Occupied Palestinian Territory) was 1948-67 when Jews were ethnically cleansed by Jordan and Jordan annexed the territory.
Now, I agree that it *should* become sovereign Palestinian territory. But if our entire premise of disagreement is that Palestinians want a “right of return” wouldn’t it also make sense that Palestinians must accept Jews as Palestinian citizens?
However, under Palestinian law a Palestinian could be killed by their government for selling real property to a Jew.
The largest settlement bloc is also a rebuilding of what existed pre-1948. So Jews quite literally returned to where they were.
It's time to analyze the latest Harvard/HarrisX poll!
First up: American voters still believe (by a big majority) that a ceasefire should only happen under the conditions Israel has set for winning the war. Which is that the hostages are all released and Hamas leaves power.
Next up: Voters agree with Netanyahu in not trusting the Palestinian Authority. I found this to be surprising. They would *prefer* Israel administer the Gaza Strip than the Palestinian Authority, but would prefer over that a new authority administered by Arab states.
Next: A plurality of Americans think Israel should *continue* hitting Lebanon. Younger voters don't agree out of fear of provoking a larger regional war. Bad news, I think we are already in that larger regional war.
Thread incoming, but @KarimKhanQC's response to the amici curiae leaves a lot to be desired.
Notably, he lied. The claim that OTP "engaged with the relevant actors in good faith" is false. The day he announced requests OTP was due to arrive in Israel to engage with Israel.
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"On May 20, the same day International Criminal Court prosecutor Karim Khan made a surprise request for warrants to arrest the leaders of Israel and Hamas involved in the Gaza conflict, he suddenly cancelled a sensitive mission to collect evidence in the region, eight people with direct knowledge of the matter told Reuters." reuters.com/world/middle-e…
This is clearly not a good faith effort to engage with all relevant parties.
But, something else notable in this that the @IntlCrimCourt has never been able to get past: If Palestine has ascended to the Rome Statute, but has never had sovereignty, what territory can it cover?