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After a day of meetings with LC and disability researchers and community, I can't help but reflecting on how we have seen patient centred arguments emerge across so many fields and what this means for LC /1
The LC community share so much knowledge in online groups. They know what treatments seem to help/that some can hurt/what supplements and vitamins help them etc.

There is so much knowledge in those groups, often a great deal more than people get from their doctors /2
Across multiple fields we have seen a convergence around the value of lived experience and experiential knowledge.

Disability justice has, on the back of HIV/AIDs, rightly argued for 'nothing about us without us'.

Your research and clinical tools, measures /3
and programs are not only shallower without lived experience input, they're potentially (and often) harmful.

This is a hard won position - from decades of harm that has emerged from when researchers and clinicians don't include lived experience and lived expertise. //4
Within LC groups I see not just sharing information and knowledge - I see care.

We are talking about a group of people where it is not uncommon to have 10 functional minutes in a day.

To devote those to care and knowledge sharing with others breathtaking /5
It has value within those communities, but it also has so much value beyond them. The knowledge they have to share is about their disease, it's about improving clinical and research practice, and beyond. /6
The disability justice and rights movement has taught us, or been trying to teach you, that this knowledge matters.

This is a hard won position - from decades of harm that has emerged from when researchers and clinicians don't include lived experience and lived expertise. /7
In other fields, health sociology and medical sociology has for decades now argued that patient knowledge is important for understanding diseases (Susan Sontage amongst them). /8
In some areas of healthcare we have seen a push for practice based evidence, also driven by parts of the public health research community .

This work argues that knowledge must be a two way exchange.

That knowledge that comes from /9
institutions will always be limited, and needs to be augmented by experiential knowledge.

Consider for example, RCTs are not the right methodology for every problem.

There are treatments that cleared RCTs that had to be removed from market, and there are treatments... /10
that didn't clear RCTs or Cochrane reviews that people find work wonders for them.

The population is a bell curve, an RCT works to the median.

I would add to this that RCT designs and clinical research /11
do not deal well with complexity - in fact they bracket it out.

But disability, chronic illness etc are usually very complex - the human body is a complex system. Add to that, that in these situations we have many comorbidities.

We do not design research to account /12
or these things.
@trishgreenhalgh for example has talked about a crisis in evidence based medicine, precisely because comorbidities are growing and RCTs as they stand work poorly for this.

Given this confluence of fields, driven both top-down by experts and bottom-up /13
@trishgreenhalgh the long covid field needs to catch up.

I see people die in these groups each week, and increasingly I see people take up VAD.

People cannot wait for the slow craw of institutional processes of knowledge production. /14
knowledge exists within these communities that is valuable and important. These are also whole human beings with the ability to reason, love and care, even when functional capacity is diminished. Respecting this is part and parcel of moving our knowledge and practice forward./15
This community still has so much to give - to each other, to clinical knowledge, to our broader understanding of disease /16
Many people have arrived at working in the LC space without a background in disability research, treatment or rights.

Clinicians and researchers need to learn about these movements - they exist for a reason. They are important, they are protective, they are productive /17
It's hard to start a human rights movement when you can't get out of bed, but goddamn this community is trying.

I ask you to listen to them, on here, in their FB groups. What has worked for them, what has not, why and to include them as peers. /End
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Jun 2
I'm just going to write this so it's done and said.

My mother was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer - liver, bone, breast all at diagnosis. I moved in with her for a year and looked after her with my dad. It was heart breaking - I wrote a book about it. I lost her at 33
In all the time I cared for her I only saw her truly suffering once - in the hours before she died. And we had the pal care team, and we kept her sedated and comfortable. She lived a fairly normal life for the year she was dying.

I have been a severe MECFS/LC/VI patient
I've interviewed and spoken to dozens and dozens of severe patients/their families.

They suffer in ways I never saw my mum suffer. They suffer in ways I never would have let my mum suffer.

When I say MECFS causes more suffering than cancer...
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That thread went a bit viral.
General info here:

COVID reactivates latent viruses, vax injury too.

INFa, the part of your immune system that fights viruses, gets stuck on.

INF-gamma that fights pathogens becomes suppressed. Pathogens begin to accumulate, largely behind biofilm
The body can’t see them to fight them, and is too suppressed.

Many are fungal infections. They use your minerals. This creates malnutrition. The body increasingly dysregulates as it fights too many battles without the nutrients to function properly.
@joshual_tm is a biochemist who has done the most comprehensive disease modelling I’ve ever seen.

A very large cohort of people have been working with him on a protocol. This is what I did

The photo that went viral is of the infection my body was blind to for
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Jul 26, 2023
Okay this is gross, but I feel like it's important for people to understand.
I was dying from a systemic candida infection and secondary malnutriton.
You could not see a single sign of infection on my body.

Then, we turned my immune system back on: Image
it's time to talk about why steroids are dangerous in LC/VI. It's time to talk about the inadequate nature of serum testing (mine were pretty fine).
It's time to talk about the headaches, the fatigue, the brain fog, the weakness. That's your mitochondria breaking down from malnutrition.

You can't tough out mitochondrial fragmentation. You can't CBT it away. You can't graded exercise it away.
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Alright I’m going to live tweet the fungus protocol…

You could never accuse this of not doing *something*. I feel like I have the flu … mixed with something else, a certain grossness like nausea but something else
Today the world smells sick. The inside of my nose smells sick. Everything everywhere smells sick.
I do not have a resting bpm if 120
Nothing much to report. Had to pull doses back to1/4 and add taurine to shit down cortisone. The sinus wash is a killer - burns
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