墨子出生那年正是孔子去世的時候（公元前四百八十年左右），所以就像我們的憤青，凡是儒家的就堅持反對：）特別在權利和社會格局方面絕大基本都是與孔子唱反調。在權利方面，儒家不談誰是君主，只談如何治理；墨子則提倡以功績取代天子的世襲製度（世上第一個KPI 以後再述）；在社會功績反面，孔子只談等級制度下的的禮教規範，而墨家則提倡推翻等級制度和特權階層，才有機會建立大同社會。就個人而言，學習這段歷史最大的收穫倒不是誰是誰非的問題，真正的價值（對我個人而言）就是憤青們在對一個大統一下的強權思想的反抗，大都帶有積極的意義，可惜是這種意義卻從來就沒有可能在當時的社會實現過，但卻像是春風野火一樣的頑固，直到現代人這裡才能體會到實現後的燦爛與寬心——雖然依然沒有人真正的理解（好東西是不需要理解的，享受便是，凡是通過痛苦學習或折騰才能認真的東西，大都不是有趣的好事）。
隨著時代的變遷，墨子及其弟子在善待憤青者的默默堅持下，在幾乎沒有一次掀起全國人民學習墨子的運動下，卻跨世紀地實現了一個又一個理想，對比一下現代國家的憲法就會明白，而墨家基本只留下一本墨子和少量一些吹捧者的天方夜譚，儒家卻有荀子、孟子等的前赴後繼及數量巨大的研究論著和幾乎每一個朝代的推波助瀾。
所以，勝負其實並不重要，就像墨子提出的KPI，聯合此後不斷興起的各路憤青（其他各家）實現一個才算一個的才是正道：）
慣例，提供中英文圖書清單各一份（盲選），供大家批判上面的流言蜚語：
● 儒家史話 by 孫開泰
◁ The History of Confucianism by Sun Kaitai
● 這就是墨子 by 秦楀
◁ This is Mozi by Qin Yu
● 儒家與墨家的交鋒 by 小播读书（YOUTUBE）
◁ The Confrontation Between Confucianism and Mohism by Xiao Bo Reading
● 中国哲学简史和西方哲学简史 by 張再林
◁ A Short History of Chinese Philosophy & A Short History of Western Philosophy by Zhang Zailin
● 墨翟與墨子 by 墨學大家孫中原等
◁ ◁ 墨翟（前468年－前376年）是墨子的弟子，也是墨家重要的代表人物。
◁ Mozhai and Mozi by the Mohist scholar Sun Zhongyuan, et al.
◁◁ Mozhai (468 BC - 376 BC) was a disciple of Mozi and an important representative figure of the Mohist school.
補充幾句，中文圖書的檢索，中台兩邊都是一樣的差，還沒有仔細研究過香港和美國的中文圖書，都把圖書作為像一般的消費產品一樣，凡是沒有應對的檢索，都會像沒有找到一款牛肉炒飯一樣，馬上很認真積極地給以一堆牛肉炒麵和羊肉炒飯。唉，其實只要把檢索分成兩個部分就完全解決的問題。在這裡有應該有很多人認識這些書店的老闆，請讓他們聯繫我，一天就可以提出多種積極向上的解決方案，第一次免費（留著更高級為第二次做好了認真的準備：）還有，這次是第一次在書單中加入了視頻，和一些網上讀物，應該是一個優化了的多元化選擇（追風時髦）。重申一下，這只是一份自己的興趣讀物清單，所以沒有太深厚的知識，不喜不讀即可，謝謝！ 英文圖書就簡單的多：
● An Intellectual History of China: Knowledge, Thought, and Belief Before the Seventh Century CE Translation Edition b Zhaoguang Ge (Author)
● The Philosophy of the Mòzĭ: The First Consequentialists by Chris Fraser
● The Cambridge History of Chinese Literature by Kang-i Sun Chang (Editor) & Stephen Owen (Editor) ● The Mozi as an Evolving Text: Different Voices in Early Chinese Thought (Studies in the History of Chinese Texts, 4) by Carine Defoort (Editor) & Nicolas Standaert (Editor)
Mozi was born in almost the same year that Confucius passed away (around 480 BC), so he was like our furious youth - he stubbornly opposed anything Confucian. Especially when it came to power and social structure, he was basically singing a counter-melody to Confucius. In terms of power, the Confucians didn't discuss who the ruler should be, only how to govern; but Mozi advocated replacing the hereditary system of the Son of Heaven with a merit-based system (the world's first KPI, to be discussed later). On the flip side of social achievements, Confucius only talked about the etiquette norms within the class system, while the Mohists proposed overthrowing the class system and privileged class in order to establish a Great Harmony society. Personally, the greatest harvest in learning this history is not the question of who is right or wrong. The true value (for me) lies in the furious youth's resistance against the thoughts of a great unification under strong power - most of which carry positive significance.
Unfortunately, this kind of positive significance was never really realized in that society at the time, but it was as stubborn as a prairie fire in the spring wind - it's only now that modern people can appreciate the brilliance and comfort in its realization, even though no one truly understands it (good things don't need to be understood, just enjoyed; things that require painful learning or hardship are usually not fun).
With the passage of time, Mozi and his disciples, through their quiet persistence in being kind to the furious youth, and without ever sparking a nationwide movement to study Mozi, still realized one ideal after another across the centuries. Comparing it to modern constitutions, you'll see that the Mohists basically only left behind the book of Mozi and a few eulogists' fantasies, while the Confucians had Xunzi, Mencius and a huge number of follow-up research papers, supported by almost every dynasty.
So the victory or defeat is actually not important - just like the KPI Mozi proposed, uniting the various furious youths (other schools) to realize them one by one is the right way :) As usual, I've provided a book list in both Chinese and English (randomly selected) for everyone to criticize the rumors above.
Regarding the search for Chinese books, the difficulties are similar on both sides of the Taiwan Strait. I haven't carefully researched the Chinese book selections in Hong Kong or the US yet. Books are often treated like general consumer products - if the search doesn't yield the desired result, it's like not finding beef fried rice, so the sites quickly provide a bunch of beef chow mein or lamb fried rice instead. Sigh, the problem could be easily solved if the search is divided into two parts. Here, there should be many people who know the bookstore owners. Please let them contact me, and in a single day I can come up with multiple positive solutions. The first time would be free (saving the more serious preparation for the second time :) Also, this time the book list includes videos and online readings, which should be an optimized and diversified selection (following the trend). To reiterate, this is just a personal interest reading list, so the knowledge may not be very deep. If you don't like it, no need to read it. Thank you!
● To see a translation of the original post, please click 'Translate post' at the bottom of the original message. Thank you!eslite.com/product/100111…
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隨著時代的變遷，墨子及其弟子在善待憤青者的默默堅持下，在幾乎沒有一次掀起全國人民學習墨子的運動下，卻跨世紀地實現了一個又一個理想，對比一下現代國家的憲法就會明白，而墨家基本只留下一本墨子和少量一些吹捧者的天方夜譚，儒家卻有荀子、孟子等的前赴後繼及數量巨大的研究論著和幾乎每一個朝代的推波助瀾。
所以，勝負其實並不重要，就像墨子提出的KPI，聯合此後不斷興起的各路憤青（其他各家）實現一個才算一個的才是正道：）
慣例，提供中英文圖書清單各一份（盲選），供大家批判上面的流言蜚語：
● 儒家史話 by 孫開泰
◁ The History of Confucianism by Sun Kaitai
● 這就是墨子 by 秦楀
◁ This is Mozi by Qin Yu
● 儒家與墨家的交鋒 by 小播读书（YOUTUBE）
◁ The Confrontation Between Confucianism and Mohism by Xiao Bo Reading
● 中国哲学简史和西方哲学简史 by 張再林
◁ A Short History of Chinese Philosophy & A Short History of Western Philosophy by Zhang Zailin
● 墨翟與墨子 by 墨學大家孫中原等
◁ ◁ 墨翟（前468年－前376年）是墨子的弟子，也是墨家重要的代表人物。
◁ Mozhai and Mozi by the Mohist scholar Sun Zhongyuan, et al.
◁◁ Mozhai (468 BC - 376 BC) was a disciple of Mozi and an important representative figure of the Mohist school.
補充幾句，中文圖書的檢索，中台兩邊都是一樣的差，還沒有仔細研究過香港和美國的中文圖書，都把圖書作為像一般的消費產品一樣，凡是沒有應對的檢索，都會像沒有找到一款牛肉炒飯一樣，馬上很認真積極地給以一堆牛肉炒麵和羊肉炒飯。唉，其實只要把檢索分成兩個部分就完全解決的問題。在這裡有應該有很多人認識這些書店的老闆，請讓他們聯繫我，一天就可以提出多種積極向上的解決方案，第一次免費（留著更高級為第二次做好了認真的準備：）還有，這次是第一次在書單中加入了視頻，和一些網上讀物，應該是一個優化了的多元化選擇（追風時髦）。重申一下，這只是一份自己的興趣讀物清單，所以沒有太深厚的知識，不喜不讀即可，謝謝！ 英文圖書就簡單的多：
● An Intellectual History of China: Knowledge, Thought, and Belief Before the Seventh Century CE Translation Edition b Zhaoguang Ge (Author)
● The Philosophy of the Mòzĭ: The First Consequentialists by Chris Fraser
● The Cambridge History of Chinese Literature by Kang-i Sun Chang (Editor) & Stephen Owen (Editor) ● The Mozi as an Evolving Text: Different Voices in Early Chinese Thought (Studies in the History of Chinese Texts, 4) by Carine Defoort (Editor) & Nicolas Standaert (Editor)
Mozi was born in almost the same year that Confucius passed away (around 480 BC), so he was like our furious youth - he stubbornly opposed anything Confucian. Especially when it came to power and social structure, he was basically singing a counter-melody to Confucius. In terms of power, the Confucians didn't discuss who the ruler should be, only how to govern; but Mozi advocated replacing the hereditary system of the Son of Heaven with a merit-based system (the world's first KPI, to be discussed later). On the flip side of social achievements, Confucius only talked about the etiquette norms within the class system, while the Mohists proposed overthrowing the class system and privileged class in order to establish a Great Harmony society. Personally, the greatest harvest in learning this history is not the question of who is right or wrong. The true value (for me) lies in the furious youth's resistance against the thoughts of a great unification under strong power - most of which carry positive significance.
Unfortunately, this kind of positive significance was never really realized in that society at the time, but it was as stubborn as a prairie fire in the spring wind - it's only now that modern people can appreciate the brilliance and comfort in its realization, even though no one truly understands it (good things don't need to be understood, just enjoyed; things that require painful learning or hardship are usually not fun).
With the passage of time, Mozi and his disciples, through their quiet persistence in being kind to the furious youth, and without ever sparking a nationwide movement to study Mozi, still realized one ideal after another across the centuries. Comparing it to modern constitutions, you'll see that the Mohists basically only left behind the book of Mozi and a few eulogists' fantasies, while the Confucians had Xunzi, Mencius and a huge number of follow-up research papers, supported by almost every dynasty.
So the victory or defeat is actually not important - just like the KPI Mozi proposed, uniting the various furious youths (other schools) to realize them one by one is the right way :) As usual, I've provided a book list in both Chinese and English (randomly selected) for everyone to criticize the rumors above.
Regarding the search for Chinese books, the difficulties are similar on both sides of the Taiwan Strait. I haven't carefully researched the Chinese book selections in Hong Kong or the US yet. Books are often treated like general consumer products - if the search doesn't yield the desired result, it's like not finding beef fried rice, so the sites quickly provide a bunch of beef chow mein or lamb fried rice instead. Sigh, the problem could be easily solved if the search is divided into two parts. Here, there should be many people who know the bookstore owners. Please let them contact me, and in a single day I can come up with multiple positive solutions. The first time would be free (saving the more serious preparation for the second time :) Also, this time the book list includes videos and online readings, which should be an optimized and diversified selection (following the trend). To reiterate, this is just a personal interest reading list, so the knowledge may not be very deep. If you don't like it, no need to read it. Thank you!
● To see a translation of the original post, please click 'Translate post' at the bottom of the original message. Thank you!eslite.com/product/100111…
eslite.com/product/100112…
product.dangdang.com/11428766179.ht…
eslite.com/product/100111…
amazon.com/Intellectual-H…
amazon.com/Philosophy-M%C…
amazon.com/Cambridge-Hist…
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