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Jul 15 16 tweets 4 min read Read on X
The benefits to S&P500 companies from rising AI-related spending and increased economy-wide productivity are modest even in an extremely optimistic case.

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To get some perspective, lets work through the impacts inputting optimistic assumptions. First that AI spending rises to 1.3tln by '32 before it plateaus with other tech spend. And lets assume 100% of that to S&P companies.

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Then let's put in an extremely optimistic assumption that AI specifically would enhance economy wide productivity relative to the baseline, say 2% annually, which would significantly outpace the impact of personal computing. Image
Taking those pieces together would lead to S&P500 companies revenue growth going from about 4% to about 6.5%. Certainly impactful over a near decade long timeframe, but not game changing. Image
Putting that together, it suggests a roughly 650bln increase in S&P500 earnings for the 2032 year relative to today, or about 25% higher than they would have been without the above benefits in nominal terms. Image
What is 650bln of extra earnings worth nearly a decade from now in today's prices?

Even with a 20x on it today, that's 10tln in market cap, or about a 25% increase at today's market cap. And of course, that's not giving any discount to uncertainty of earnings 8yrs from now.
Taken together even under a boom in AI-related spend and a surge in productivity, its a pretty marginal impact, not one that is game changing.

That magnitude of this is already likely priced in. Probably was fully priced last year during the summer of the AI "boom".
To get something that is at all in the ballpark of what the true techno-optimists claim, its going to have to come through a surge in margins that pairs with the other pieces. And of course margins are already at secular highs and expected to rise further. Image
The tricky thing with rising margins is that it doesn't come from thin air. Since one sectors income is another's spending to get margin expansion (which is largely just labor paid less relative to revenue) you are gonna need a different sector to dissave on an ongoing basis.
Let's say we add a 1% margin increase into the mix *per year* in addition to the other impacts mentioned above. Then you start to get to something that looks closer akin to the mid-double digit earnings growth ahead proposed by the techno-optimist set. Image
And that would add an incremental 2.3tln in earnings, bringing the total to roughly 3tln more earnings in 2032 relative to the baseline expectation. Image
Even under those extraordinary assumptions, at 20x multiples, you are only talking about a doubling of stock market if fully priced in today assuming no discounting of any kind, a big chunk of which has been priced in over the last 12-18m already.
From a macro fundamentals perspective, achieving this level of margin expansion would not only elevated in comparison to history, but would require a different sector of the economy to dissave at an ongoing rate 5% of GDP pace below its current level.
Meaning some combination of households, a share of businesses, or the government deficit would have to combine to offset the extraordinary margins of the corporate sector.

It could happen, but it would require an extraordinary further secular shift to corporations from labor.
Believing that a surge in stock prices is justified as a result of AI impact on the economy and businesses requires pretty extraordinary assumptions around investment, productivity growth, and margin expansion, and shift from labor to corporations.
At this point current valuations and expectations are already reflecting a very high probability of this extraordinary combination of future outcomes comes together.

Most likely investors at these prices will be disappointed over the long-term as they don't come to fruition.

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Here's a look at my track record over the last few years. Thread.
In putting this together I focused on bigger picture calls on US macro assets (stocks, bonds, short-rates) over the last few years. Ones that were either in a formal outlook, brand-name podcasts, or outlook-like tweets with real engagement. Goal was to not cherry pick. Let's go:
8/3/2022 | Wrote an outlook "Pain Before Pivot" arguing that the pricing of a shift to pivot was unlikely to occur without substantially worse equity outcomes. Stocks fell 15% and bonds fell 20% in the months following.

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What matters for the Fed is not if inflation prints close to target for a few months, but whether it *durably* stays there.

Getting to here has required deflation across several goods categories which can't be relied on to persist in the future.

Thread on medium-term outlook.
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Many of those core goods prices experienced rapid price surges during covid due to supply chain shocks and in the last year many of those prices have outright fallen substantially.

But in order to maintain current CPI, those prices have to *keep falling at the same rate.*
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There is no broader evidence that the low reads of measured inflation in May marked a significant turning point.

Looking across a range of other measures, inflation looks pretty stable for the last year and elevated compared to pre-covid levels and the Fed's mandate.

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Small biz are a big part of the economy and the NFIB *actual* price changes in recent months is a good indication small biz pricing. Net price increases have come down, but still are clearly higher than pre-covid and nearly all of the pre-covid period. Image
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Short stocks *and* bonds is likely better ahead than simply short stocks on their own.

In an environment where stocks are at all close to earnings expectations, bonds will underperform. And where earnings disappoint, the bond rally wont be enough to cover stock losses.

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The challenge today is just how strong the "soft landing" dynamic is currently priced:
* Equities at 21x 12m forward earnings expected to grow 30% from the stable level the last couple years.
* The Fed priced to cut 150bps thru end of '25
* Zero term premium in bonds.
In order for both stocks *and* bonds to rally further, these outcomes have to end up being even further than what is currently priced in. So:
* >30% earnings growth in the next 18m.
* >150bps of cuts by the Fed.
* Negative term-premium in US bonds
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