Thread: Quotes from founders who were anti church and state.
Ben Franklin
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absented myself from Christian assemblies
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason: The Morning Daylight appears plainer when you put out your candle.
John Adams
l almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years.
Thomas Jefferson
No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities (Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom 1779)
know it will give great offense to the clergy, but the advocate of religious freedom is to expect neither peace nor forgiveness from them. *(to Levi Lincoln, 1802)
Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone. (in a letter to John Adams, 11 January 1817
I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know. (letter to Ezra Stiles Ely June 25, 1819)
Christianity, neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law. The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man.
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridder people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purposes.
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
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Hey you redneck maga ppl when exactly did you become so pro law enforcement? Do you even know where the term redneck comes from? In the 1800's coal mining was serious business. And companies didn't even pay you.
They gave you monopoly money that was only good at company owned stores because in the 1st gilded age we had company towns. Where everything was owned by the company. Even your home.
It made you poor and dependent so you could never get ahead and were dependent on the compnay for everything. And when you started to organize and demand pay, benefits etc.
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Because we are in the end stages of capitalism and oligarchs will protect their wealth at all costs. Like in 1934 America's oligarchs formed the American liberty league to undermine FDR's political ambitions.
The same year smedly butler testified to Congress he was approached to lead an industrialist coup against FDR w ½ million soldiers. Oligarchy and fascism embrace eachother. We are again at another crossroad in our country like we were here in the 1930's.
When the economy was wrecked and wealth inequality was rampant and the robber barons were trying to protect their wealth.
Josh Hawley is a cunt. Let's talk about Christianity and the Civil War
South Carolina Preacher James Henley Thornwell called slavery, "the obligation to labour for another, determined by the providence of god."
He also went on to say, "the parties in this conflict are not merely abolitionist and slaveholders; they are atheists, socialists, communists, red Republicans, jacobins on the one side, and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other."
Jesse Cox of Tennessee labeled the north as the "antichrist, the beast from bottomless pits."
Preacher J. Jones told confederate soldiers it was their duty to fight "the infidel" of the north and engage in "holy war."
I lost my 2 closest friends which put me in a terrible depression. I gained almost 200lbs in about 2 years. I had a hole in me that I tried to fill w food. Plus my drinking and partying was terrible as well. I was tired. Tired of everything.
Tired of being everyone's joke. Tired of being treated like I was subhuman. Tired of being looked at with disgust. Tired of ppl telling my wife she should leave me. Tired of men disrespecting me by trying to pick up my wife.
Tired of barely being able to wipe my own ass and asking for help to tie my shoes. I was tired of being alive.
No MAGA supporter can ever claim to love the troops again. If any maga says they support the troops punch them in the mouth. Trump has directly endangered our entire military/spies/soldiers/country/allies. The damage he caused exceeds men like Alger hiss or Robert Henssen.
It's unprecedented what trump has done through his crimes and there's still more to come. Let me be clear, he is the biggest traitor this country has ever seen. He has ripped America from its foundations of democracy. He has put the safety and well being of our country at risk.
He does not fight for you. He loathes you. He hates poor ppl. The average maga person wouldn't even be allowed in his resorts because he despises ppl like you. Trump hates ignorant, poor, dirty ppl. He hates lower class ppl.