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Sep 1 12 tweets 4 min read Read on X
This paper on thromboinflammation is everywhere this week. Unfortunately nobody commenting on it seems to have read it!

I have, and it definitely doesn't say what commentators are suggesting. 🧵nature.com/articles/s4158…
Quick summary. Spike interacts with fibrinogen and drives a thromboinflammatory cascade. In the paper, this is tied most closely to lung & brain pathology. I am not going to dissect the figures- take it on face value as true; this is not my problem with the paper/messaging.
My problem is the explicit link to long covid present in the paper (from the abstract on) & prominent/signal boosted in most of the media.
This is how most big SM commentators have described the paper. Note they are all explicit about long covid. Image
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and more, the list goes on. Publically then this has become a story about long covid. Image
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So what is the paper? It is a purely mouse paper in ... exclusively acute models. I couldn't find a model over 7 days. There is no long covid data here. The long covid hypothetical rests on the concept that there is very common viral (and intact spike) persistence in long covid.
That hypothesis rests on the shoulders of this paper in 31 patients with PASC/long covid
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
Here is the relevant data where there is no significant S1 subunit but reactivity to full length spike. I can’t see this work validated anywhere else but I might be wrong. BTW it looks like spike binding in the Nature paper is in the S1 subunit. Image
I don't know what their antibody is reacting to and certainly might be non-S1 spike but it seems not controversial to say this is exploratory and needs validation and much more work to confirm it is real.
So what we have is an acute mechanism in mice. I don’t doubt the acute clot link (I've published on it, so skin in that game). However what nobody is seeing in clinical practice is unusual persistence of significant non-resolving thrombus-see this 🧵).
I also don't doubt a significant story in altered immune mechanisms and a link to complement and thrombotic pathways (different however from "thrombosis").
Serious scrutiny needs to be applied here as clinical trials are being proposed with serious side effects on a hypothesis where we are over-weighting preclinical biomarker & animal data in questionably relevant models and ignoring the actual data from humans.

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Aug 1
Long form 🧵on lung clots, chronic complications and Covid. Data is emerging that call into question how prevalent and important this really is. I think we are in a better place now to be clearer.
To begin with-we undoubtedly saw high acute post-Covid thrombosis at the beginning of the pandemic. Here is my starting contribution to this literature (ie I have looked at this a lot)-
national self-case control approach
ICU study pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34607634/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34582412/
systematic review I will post more recent work at the end to show how it has changed with timepubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35942076/a
Read 22 tweets
Sep 24, 2023
🧵on PAs in UK NHS. Bit of both-sideism but from a skeptic viewpoint. Strap in. This will not be short!
Starting point- can some of clinicians work be done by others? Simple answer is yes. Our jobs can be discretely broken into domains (pick your own schema)
- admin
- clinical assessment + treatment
- procedural
- leadership
- teaching
- holding risk
The list goes on
A quality trained doctor does all of this but no reason bits can’t be broken up and done by others or amalgamated with new roles. In fact it happens all the time & without controversy. So why the brouhaha over PAs?
Read 43 tweets
Aug 16, 2023
Are you sitting on Twitter wondering why doctors are on one hand complaining about being understaffed & simultaneously incandescent with rage about mushrooming non-doctor roles? 🧵 for you.
We will start off with the simple bit we can all agree on. There are not enough healthcare workers (in any part of the system, not just doctors). UK Workforce plan is clear on this and everybody agrees. …england.nhs.uk/publication/nh…
This is btw a global and not local problem which means usual developed world plan to just asset strip human resources from elsewhere is harder,
kpmg.com/xx/en/home/ins…
Read 19 tweets
Jun 27, 2023
If you want to understand why doctors strikes will not end any time soon and why this is a disaster, take the temp of doctors from contemporary surveys 🧵
First up GMC. Absolute historic levels of every flashing red light possible, from doctors taking steps to leave, through concern over ability to give safe care to burnout levels.
RCP survey is also consistent with this and workload a major concern in both surveys.
Read 12 tweets
Sep 1, 2022
I’m just having so much fun this am imagining the reviewer 2 comments that led to this being rejected by Science & moved on to Science Advances theguardian.com/science/2022/a…
The work lacks novelty. Trees have been doing this for millennia.
As an n of 1, I insist on it being replicated on 2 more planets.
Read 5 tweets
Apr 2, 2022
🧵on why our current approach to covid is storing up problems, and one that isn’t being talked about.
Quick summary. Vaccines work, things are much better.
Otherwise we couldn’t have these levels of covid without breaking our ICU system
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