Thread by @Rob_ThaBuilder

Ok, time for a nuanced discussion on this topic, and some backstory:

I suspect a large chunk of ppl who currently are absolutely opposed to ANY man in women's spaces today (myself included) would have probably agreed with Chad here 5+ years ago (myself included).

Most of us probably would have thought something similar, like "well, if the person is passing and looks like a woman, I don't see the problem with them just using the bathroom". And if that's all that was happening - ppl who pass as women just using the bathroom - the current backlash occuring now likely would never have happened.

But that isn't all that happened, is it?

Over the past few years, it became increasingly clear that something else was going on, and that accelerated when Elon Musk bought this platform and prioritized the ability to speak truth against politically convenient narratives. We started seeing videos of men masturbating in women's bathrooms, started seeing SM posts of very obviously non-dysphoric men taking "trophy hunting" pictures of themselves triumphantly posting pictures of themselves in women's bathrooms, smugly bragging about their new access to these spaces, and gloating about the fact the actual women whom these spaces were created for couldn't do a thing about it. All of these things that we saw were things that we never saw on pre-Musk Twitter, and anyone posting them was banned.

And very quickly, we were radicalized.

There was a window - albeit brief - a few years ago when the trans community could have done something to prevent much of this. They could have acknowledged that self-id was a disaster, that it was a safeguarding nightmare, and that the so-called "true trans" (for lack of a better term) was outnumbered 10 to 1 by predators, perverts, sexual deviants and sex pests PRETENDING to be trans just to satisfy their paraphilic desires. This was obvious to any impartial observer easily a few years ago. Had the trans community correctly recognized the issue, recognized the safeguarding nightmare it was creating, and began policing itself and made very clear that these types of men did not represent their community, things MAY have turned out differently.

But they didn't. Instead, they doubled down, they said "anyone who claims to be trans IS trans" and called anyone concerned about the safety of women and girls in these spaces bigots, Nazis and transphobes. They refused to compromise even one inch, while demanding women give up everything. Absolutely no sacrifices were required by the men who wanted in, and every sacrifice demanded by the women who said no.

And so we were forced to come to the logical conclusion that, well, apparently these predators and sex pests must actually BE part of the trans community. And since they're the majority of the trans community, that must mean the community as a whole is a degenerate, sexually deviant group of predators who are a danger to women and girls, even while we acknowledge that there DO exist trans ppl who are not that, who really just DO want to live their lives in peace. Unfortunately, they are the minority. And in short order, we were radicalized.

And so that window for an alternate scenario closed. Positions have hardened on both sides, and all of the people who might have considered compromise a few short years ago have landed on the only reasonable position: that since the trans community refuses to police itself, we will have to do it for them. And since women CAN NOT TELL which men in their bathrooms "just want to pee" and which ones want to jerk off in the next stall listening to THEM pee, the only safe and effective solution to this problem is that ALL men - regardless of how they identify - must be kept out of women's spaces. And for all these ppl, there is no going back.

And the trans community has absolutely nobody to blame but themselves for that.

"ThEy jUsT WaNt tO uSe ThE bAtHrOoM!!!"

And of course, who could forget this lovely lady, who likes making violent threats to women to make sure they keep their mouths shut when they see him in their bathrooms.

The trans community will call you a bigot if you have an issue with this

Well? Go ahead and make him your.....onnahole, or whatever the fuck he's talking about.

You're not a bigot, are ya?

Trans identified male slides his phone under the stall to film the women beside him using the bathroom, and gets very belligerent while displaying absolutely classic male aggression when challenged:

The examples I just have above are literally the top of the iceberg. I didn't want to turn this thread into non stop examples of what I'm talking about, but trust me when I tell you, clips and photos like this are absolutely common among trans identified men.

And so imagine that backdrop while you consider the effect of signs like this hanging in women's bathrooms juxtaposed next to the behavior of the men above.

How are women supposed to be able to advocate for themselves when the trans activists are literally putting signs in the bathroom telling them to keep their mouths shut if they "feel uncomfortable"?

This ideology is a predators wet dream come true, it has everything they need: easy access to victims + social conditioning to keep the victims quiet.

You know what other group has that exact combination of social factors and themselves saw a massive influx and predators and pedophiles into their ranks? Catholic priests.

We need to be aware of what's ACTUALLY going on here, and not just outsource our thinking to the activists who are facilitating it.

This is why ppl have come to the conclusion that for the sake of the safety, dignity and privacy of women and girls, the only reasonable solution is to ban ALL men from women's spaces, regardless of how they identify or how well they pass.