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I was asked: (If what pharaoh spoke is his created speech, is it uncreated when quoted by Allah?)
The answer is: Such question arises from a misunderstanding of what it means for Allah’s speech to be uncreated.
The uncreated nature of His speech does not pertain to the specific words spoken by another being but rather to the speech that He Himself initiated, uttered, and expressed. Allah’s speech is uncreated because it subsists in His essence, encompassing both meaning and expression.
When Allah mentioned that Pharaoh said, “I am your most exalted lord” (Quran 79:24), The speech that subsisted in him is his, and since Pharaoh is a created being, his speech is likewise created. However, when Allah narrated Pharaoh’s words in the Quran,
that is Allah’s initiated speech, subsisting in Him, and expressed in His own unique words and formulation. As such, it is His attribute (ṣifah), uncreated in its entirety.
Here, we must recognize the distinction between the particulars of their respective expressions
with the shared abstract meaning in both of them. In other words, the speech spoken by Pharaoh and the speech spoken by Allah align in their (Qadr Mushtarak of meaning) but are entirely different in their particulars (aʿyān).
Pharaoh’s particular speech is created, while Allah’s particular speech is uncreated.
The speech of any created being is created because it subsists in their essence. Conversely, the speech of the Creator is uncreated because it subsists in His essence. To clarify this further:
if I were to quote a Quranic verse while explaining its meaning (tafsīr), the expression I use—my voice, my letters, and my words—would be mine and therefore created. However, the portion of the Quran being quoted, which subsisted in Allah’s essence, remains His and uncreated.
This distinction illustrates that what subsists in Allah is not the same particular that subsists in a created being. All letters and sounds that are from Allah’s speech are uncreated, while all letters and sounds from created beings are created.
If someone claims these are the same letters and sounds, we clarify that they are the same in type (naw') but distinct and separate in their particulars (aʿyān). Just as speech is one by type yet divided into: created and uncreated based on the particular of that speech.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah elaborates on this, refuting those who claim that speech consists solely of letters and sounds without meaning:
"The letters and sounds that Moses heard were in Hebrew, whereas those mentioned by Allah in the Quran are in Arabic.
If speech consisted solely of letters and sounds, there would be no commonality (Qadr Mushtarak) between what Moses heard and what Allah reported Moses heard. Instead, it would be a lie to claim that Moses heard these sounds which he did not.
Similarly, all of what Allah recounts in the Quran as being said from earlier nations—spoken in non-Arabic languages—was articulated in their respective tongues. Yet Allah narrated it in the language in which he sent down the Quran which is Arabic. Allah’s speech is truthful.
So, if the sayings of these nations consisted solely of their specific letters and sounds, which differ from those in the Quran, then Allah’s narration would not truly be of their statements. However, their speech included both letters and meanings,
and Allah narrated it in another language. Letters are subordinate to meanings, and meanings are the primary focus, just as when translating the speech of anyone." Al-Tisʿīniyya (2/464)
This concept also applies to Allah’s expression of shared meanings in different languages.
For instance, if Allah expresses a particular meaning in Hebrew in the Torah, and then expresses the same meaning in Arabic in the Quran, the speech of Allah in the Quran does not consist solely of the Arabic expression denoting that meaning.
Rather, the composite of the Arabic wording and its meaning constitutes the Quran. Similarly, the composite of wording and meaning in the Torah constitutes the Torah. The two correspond in their shared abstract content but differ in their individual realities.
At one time, the specific composite of wording and meaning subsisted in Allah as His Torahic Speech, and at another time, another specific composite of wording and meaning also subsisted in Him as His Qur'anic Speech.
If this pertains even to the particulars of Allah’s speech itself, then speech consisting of words and meanings that originates from a created being and is later narrated by Allah in His speech—consisting of distinct words and meanings—these two are even more distinct.
They differ categorically in the particulars of their words and meanings, while aligning only in the shared abstract meaning, which forms the essence of the denotation and the referent of the words.
Summary:
Then Allah narrates speech that originated from a created being, His own speech—its letters, sounds, and meanings—is entirely distinct and subsists within His essence. It is uncreated, aligning only in the shared abstract meaning with the created speech being quoted.
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1. You confirmed the accusation of your opponents that you discard hadith when your scholars' opinion conflict with it. You are using the same reasoning employed by hadith rejectors—namely that Quran is definitive, implying that the hadith is not—to justify its rejection.
Interestingly, the person you were criticizing did so because they may have assumed that your scholars did not understand the Quran or hadith. Yet, by this same reasoning, you implied that the majority of Muslims throughout history did not understand what you have derived
from the Quran and were categorically united in opposing it with what you called speculative and not definitive.
So, what is this? You were bothered by someone implying that about your scholars, but you were not hesitant to accuse the majority of scholars
Here is an example of one attempting to sound relevant and aware of the intricacies of Islamic creeds and groups while they are ignorant of basic fundamentals and completely enveloped in preconceived notions that barely scratch the surface of research and understanding.
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Perhaps the most glaring error, among the many nonsensical statements in this person's thread, is what causes second-hand embarrassment: the claim that Ash‘aris are the rationalists, while Ahl al-Hadith are positioned on the other end of the spectrum,
which one may infer implies that they are not rationalists. I have written extensively on this topic, demonstrating that Ahl al-Hadith are exclusively the people of reason, and that anyone who deviates from revelation or believes that revelation contradicts reason
Are the letters of the Qur'an created or uncreated?
Imam Ibn al-Qayyim said:
If it is said that the letters of the alphabet are either eternal or created, the response is that letters are of two kinds: the letters found in the speech of created beings are created,
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whereas the letters of the Quran are uncreated.
If it is then asked, "How can the same letter be both created and uncreated?"
The reply is that it is not the same letter in particular (bi al-‘ayn), even if it is the same in type (bi al-naw‘),
just as speech can be divided into created and uncreated; it is one in type but not in particular.
This distinction can be clarified as follows: any thing can be understood in four modes of existence:
1. Existence in the external reality (wujud fi al-a‘yan).
To understand the topic of Kalam Allah we should present the differences between sects regarding two issues:
1. Their views on the concept of "Speech" and who is considered "Speaker."
2. Their views on "the speech of Allah."
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The intention here is to define these terms in their absolute sense, noting that each sect's stance on the speech of Allah is based on their interpretation of these terms.
A) There are four main views regarding the concept of "speech":
1. Speech is merely the arrangement of letters and sounds; its essence is the uttered words, while the meaning is not part of its essence but rather its implication. This is the view of the Mu'tazilah and others. According to them, speech refers to the utterance
The reality of the Ashʿari doctrine ultimately leads to a denial of the existence of God. 🧵
There is a question that none of them wish to answer, it raises numerous issues and poses significant challenges for them. They claim that God’s existence is not merely conceptual
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but external and objective. I say if that is the case, I must then be able to ask about this "external entity" with "Where" ! They respond that it is impermissible to ask "where" regarding God, as such a question implies direction, which entails place and consequently extension
(Tahayyuz) which implies corporeality (Jism). Of course, this sequence reflects the Aristotelian framework applied in "physics" [keeping its accuracy aside], yet they adhere to it even with regard to God.
However, let us say for the sake of argument, fine, I will not ask "where"
Ashʿarīs' perspective on the essence of miracles was shaped by their denial of causal relationships, natural laws, and inherent properties within things. Consequently, most Ashʿarīs confined the proofs of prophethood solely to miracles.
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They defined a miracle as an extraordinary event, accompanied by a challenge, manifested at the hands of a prophet, and immune to opposition. They did not differentiate between miracles and magic except by the prophet’s challenge to disbelievers to replicate his miracle.
By equating miracles with magic, they maintained that if a sorcerer were to claim prophethood or oppose a prophet, he would be deprived of his power to perform magic, or the usual effects of his magic would not occur, ensuring the prophetic evidence remains unchallenged.